What is the catalyst that actually causes (financial) bubbles to burst?
What is the catalyst that actually causes (financial) bubbles to burst?
Truly, it could be anything that unsettles the market. A bubble popping is essentially a cascading failure, where the dominos fall, when the house of cards collapses, when fear turns into panic, even when everyone is of sound mind.
The Great Depression is said to have started because of a colossally bad “short squeeze”, where investors tried to corner the market on copper futures, I think. That caused some investment firms to go broke, which then meant trust overall was shaken. And then things spiraled out of control thereafter, irrespective of whether the underlying industries were impacted or not.
So too did the Great Financial Crisis in 2008, where the USA housing market collapsed, and the extra leverage that mortgagees had against their home value worked against them, plunging both individuals and mortgage companies into financial ruin. In that situation, the fact that some people lost their homes, couples with them losing their jobs due to receding market, was an unvirtuous cycle that fed itself.
I can’t speculate as to what will pop the current bubble, but more likely than not, it will be as equally messy as bubbles of yore. But much like the Big One – which in California refers to another devastating earthquake to come – it’s not a question of if but when.
Until it (and the AI bubble popping) happens though, it is not within my power to do much about it, and so I’ll spend my time preparing. That doesn’t mean I’m off to move my retirement funds into S&P500 ex-AI though, since even the Dot Com bubble produced gains before it went belly up. I must reiterate that no one knows when the bubble will pop, so getting on or getting off now is a financial risk.
It’s a rollercoaster and we’re all strapped in, whether we like it or not.
Ultimately it will be when the credit dries up and circular nature of the “investments” breaks down.
A Couple things that come to mind:
One way could be a failure to deliver on a contractual obligation with regards to a payout (eg company X will receive $100 billion when Y is complete) will lead to the failure to make a debt payment (company X has borrowed money based on the money promised by company Y), which will precipitate a scramble as investors try to recoup the money they’ve put in the firms, which will crash them.
For example, and I don’t know what happened here, CoreWeave had a balloon payment to make on a loan in October; if they didn’t make that payment, it could lead to a panic. But it didn’t
Not making a couple of loan payments. As soon as a big player does this, everyone else will be on edge.
A layer higher? Expose Palantir’s role in Israeli targeting and manipulation that includes global espionage with Epstein and others.
An easier way would be to restore democracy by making the right to digital slavery – ownership and trade of the digital presence of a person for exploitation and manipulation – illegal. That is the profitable and massive political capital driving the machine.
jameslavish.com/…/why-qt-is-dead-and-qe-is-coming
I found this article explained the situation well. They are saying by q1 2026 or earlier and explain why they think that.
Stock prices are set by what people think stocks are worth. Buying a stock is a bet that it will become more valuable in the future (and/or pay dividends). Even with the rise of algorithmic trading, those algorithms are betting the stocks are will rise in value. In theory the cost should be related to the fundamentals of the stock like the company’s revenue, but in practice they are also set by investor’s opinions about the stock’s future price.
So what causes stocks to go down is people thinking that stocks will go down, and selling before they lose any more money.
In the case of the AI stock bubble, it’s hard to know what will cause investors to say “this stock is likely to drop on value, or at least not grow as quickly as other investments I could make.” The fact that most AI companies are burning cash and not getting much revenue out of it hasn’t dampened the excitement yet, so I guess investors still believe there’s a way forward that will result in more revenue. Or at least they believe the hype cycle isn’t coming to an end so they’re holding on while the prices go up and hope to sell before their holdings lose too much value. It won’t pop until something deflates the expectations of enough investors to start a sell-off. What’s that going to be? Who knows. It might just be a herd mentality thing where a few people begin to sell and more people follow suit.
“AI war-machine exterminates 90% of human race”
Would that work? Or would that just make the AI companies more valuable?
A) "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent
B) The big players in AI aren’t highly leveraged. If MSFT or Nvidia have their valuations drop overnight, the consequences to them are minimal
How Money Works released a good video on this recently
The big players in AI aren’t highly leveraged
It’s not traditional leverage but the recent deals being announced where the AI companies are raising money from Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon, Google, AMD, Oracle, etc. and paying it back in stock or purchase commitments have a certain circular bootstrappy notion to them. The formulas for the valuations rely on feedback loops that are less stable and might create runaway feedback conditions at the slightest hiccup.
In any highly capital intensive business, you always run the risk that the thing you build is worth less than the cost it took to build it. And when that happens, collapses can happen pretty quickly, as everyone invested in these companies rushes towards the offramp.
I can think of a few catalysts that could trigger that initial realization that the thing made isn’t actually worth the cost to build it:
But once a hiccup happens, something built on so many self-reinforcing loops is less resilient against the unknown, the chaos of the real world.
The How Money Works video was decent, but I was annoyed he showed the Apple cash on hand chart without mentioning they peaked at ~100B, and the contracts we’re talking about are in hundreds of billions
Microsoft, for example, has about 100B in cash on hand. Their total liabilities have gone from about 2x their cash to 3x, which is effectively doubling the leverage
When you think about that additional debt in absolute terms, it’s huge. Historically companies wouldn’t be able to get to that level of debt simply because they lacked the cash to do so
Microsoft long term debt from 2011 to 2025. Long term debt can be defined as the sum of all long term debt fields. <ul style='margin-top:10px;'> <li>Microsoft long term debt for the quarter ending September 30, 2025 was <strong>$35.376B</strong>, a <strong>17.48% decline</strong> year-over-year.</li> <li>Microsoft long term debt for 2025 was <strong>$40.152B</strong>, a <strong>5.94% decline</strong> from 2024.</li> <li>Microsoft long term debt for 2024 was <strong>$42.688B</strong>, a <strong>1.66% increase</strong> from 2023.</li> <li>Microsoft long term debt for 2023 was <strong>$41.99B</strong>, a <strong>10.72% decline</strong> from 2022.</li> </ul>
Nothing is gonna make the so called bubble pop, since its not a bubble. Its more like the foundation for a high tech society that is being built right now.
High tech power stations, data centers, learning robots, surveillance systems, military systems… All based on Ai.
So while you watch dystopia grow up around you, you can make a few bucks in the stock market at least.
No, I just know how these things go.
Convince the people its a bubble, while big whales buy the stocks.
You will see end of november being back at new records.
I think news about bubbles being close to popping is making people scared to invest money.
What other purpose do those news and discussions serve, if not to scare people?
I think its a big mistake to sit outside the market at this point. We likely wont have another rally like this for a long time.
AI companies are more insulated from quarterly returns due to being private companies, and not being expected to have any profit, or even revenue growth
The only thing investors are looking for are user growth, and increase in AI capabilities. The second KPI being difficult to objectively measure
Fundamentally it all comes down to unemployment. There is a certain point in a thermodynamic way that even the most brainwashed slaves stop becoming productive. If you don’t have a safe and private place to sleep, it’s enormously taxing on your motivation, if you can’t afford nutrients, you will be physically tired and your body will scream at you to avoid any type of damage to itself.
For bubbles, they exist mostly to make rich people richer, but come at the cost of workers getting more inflation and weaker purchasing power for their wages. Every so often bubbles have to pop, so the rich can buy up all the property they sold back, at a discount and start the process over. One of the many scams of international capitalism.
So the bubble really pops when people are unable to work for the dropping wages. It’s really just a physics question in a way.
i can only think of ‘folkhögskolor’, a nordic phenomena where formerly peasants and now workers since a hundred years raise eachother to learn what gymnasiums and universities don’t and at no cost.
i appreciate you being online bringing knowledge around. got any recommended reading for economy, or a blog where you post more?
these began without allowance from state. originally barns on ‘bondgårdar’ were dedicated to this purpose seasonally by ‘bönder’, so there was direct source of food and space given on “private property”. these days all ‘folkhögskolor’ have long-courses — spanning a year (august to june) with some for permaculture and other agrarian purposes starting in january — and short-courses, spanning a week. these days most ‘folkhögskolor’ act as hostels and conference halls too in addition to gymnasiums for teens who y’know hate being in state gymnasium. sympathic way forward, my life would’ve been better had i gone this route sooner than later.
i would suggest finding private property owners who can provide a kitchen, showers and space to house people (bunkbeds.) maybe you are one?
i would also suggest finding ‘studieförbund’ like ABF, NBV, IOGT-NTO etc. equivalents for funding and mostly as these are a short-cut through paperwork to legitimize the endeavour as an education with legal right to endow grades and certifications. like reading up school grades, becoming a certified plumber, et al.
regardless of if these two are known to you or anyone today i strongly recommend everyone to just travel here on a study visa ASAP. our government hates ‘folkhögskolor’ and are aggressively defunding these. it’s also more and more real-life hidden lore to know of ‘folkhögskolor’. how our entire wellfare comes from educating the marginalized in society at ‘folkhögskolor’. we have 155 still right now, something like one in every city. most are never full because people don’t know they exist these days: so you and anyone have good chancesnto get in. on the one i am at right now i met with an english citizen, a german citizen, an austrian citizen, an irish citizen and many refugees from war-torn countries coming here to learn swedish. think of this as a boarding school with cheap prices and no barriers to entry. everyone wants you to succeed here.
i would be glad to keep talking of this on a sub dedicated to ‘folkhögskolor’ and in direct messages here on Blord, or 1-on-1 over chatmail (an E2EE email evolution. see the free libre open source DeltaChat & it’s twin project ArcaneChat.)
Contact me on ArcaneChat:
Thank you, that is very kind of you. I love that word. That is a very cynical take from me and I should probably be a bit more fair, but it’s not that far off from the truth.
The people who run these scams don’t necessarily realize they are doing it. They do to some extent, but even billionaires believe in capitalism in that kind of way.
I thought about writing little essays or making YouTube videos to kind of share what I consider to be lost knowledge and lost sciences. I should probably do that some day. Like actually write it out in more theoretical ways in a more compiled form.
i’ve been meaning to report on the state of nordic countries alot more. now i did a bit
i encourage you to compose some and share some!
The actual trigger is when someone influential decides “this is far enough - I’m pulling my money out before it all vanishes.” This doesn’t have to be such a dire thing - investors are constantly saying “this is enough - I’ve done well in this - time to take the profits and move my money elsewhere.”
Others see the influential figure doing that and begin to get scared. Many follow. And this becomes a chain reaction when the market at large sees this trend. If it’s enough people, and there’s enough doubt looming out there, it will chain and take the entire market down. If there’s not, it will stabilize. Small corrections happen all the time.
It’s a very basic human thing. If you were in a room and everyone else in it suddenly screamed and ran away you would follow them and figure out why later.