toomanypancakesNov 3

What are you confident you could win an argument about?

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What are you confident you could win an argument about?

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Show threadGeodad
Noah’s ark myth never happened, and the earth was never completely flooded at any point in its history.
Nov 3 at 9:40pmWeb
Show threadmikenurreNov 3
I thought that the Earth was molten rock, then cooled, then rained/flooded, and then sometime later, single cell organisms/life.
Show threadGeodadNov 3
Nope, at no time has there ever been enough free water to completely submerge all land.
Show threadtalNov 4

kagis

news.harvard.edu/…/harvard-scientists-determine-e…

According to a new, Harvard-led study, geochemical calculations about the interior of the planet’s water storage capacity suggests Earth’s primordial ocean 3 to 4 billion years ago may have been one to two times larger than it is today, and possibly covered the planet’s entire surface.

“It depends on the conditions and parameters we look at in the model, such as the height and distribution of the continents, but the primordial ocean could have flooded more than 70, 80, and even 90 percent of the early continents,” said Junjie Dong, a Ph.D. student in Earth and Planetary Sciences at the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, who led the study. “In the extreme scenarios, if we have an ocean that is two times larger than the amount of water we have today, that might have completely flooded the land masses we had on the surface of the early Earth.”

They’re saying that there isn’t enough water on the surface today, but that an undetermined amount of water that used to be on the surface is now below the surface, and it’s possible that that amount is sufficient that all land was at one point submerged.

Earth may have been a water world 3 billion years ago

A new study suggests Earth’s primordial ocean 3 to 4 billion years ago may have been much larger than it is today, and possibly covered the entire planet.

Harvard Gazette
Show threadGeodadNov 4
And the amount of heat necessary to liberate allbthe water bound in minerals to flood the planet would liquify the crust again. Noah’s magic box would burst into flames and everyone would die.
Show threadFrezikNov 4

Have you seen the heat argument?

In short, the Young Earth Creationist position is that all the plate tectonics and radiological dating issues happened because of the flood. This means the plates would have to have moved very fast, and the resulting friction creates heat. Incredible amounts of heat. Likewise, radioactive decay releases heat, too. To do all the changes necessary to do that in the space of about a year it would generate enough heat to turn the entire planet into a plasma.

This may actually be “checkmate, YEC!”, at least in a sense. Not because they’ll change their mind about God or anything, but because they prefer to have physical solutions if possible. It’s easier to convince other people if you keep reliance on the supernatural to a minimum. But there’s just no way around this one. You have to rely on the supernatural to fix it. There’s just too much heat, otherwise.

Show threadGeodadNov 4

That’s what I’m eluding to in another reply. The two most common YEC arguments are “hydro plate” and “catastrophic plate techtonics”. Both of them have the same heat problem.

While there is technically enough water locked in underground rock to cover the land completely, water has a high heat capacity.

On my last project we were working with gypsum, which is a hydrated Calcium sulfate. Above around 60°C/120°F that water is driven off to produce anhydrite. There are hydrate minerals that require much more heat to dehydrate them.

At 120°F and 100% humidity, human life would be impossible.