Federico Lopez CorreaNov 3
Ricardo B�nffy
Nov 2 at 1:28pmWeb
Show threadPanicz Maciej GodekNov 2

@rbanffy

For the reference, the first sentence in the image says:
"Under capitalism, food isn't produced to feed people, jt's produced to make a profit."

I think that passive voice here is a bit manipulative. Food isn't "produced". Someone *puts work* to produce food.

And I don't think there's anything wrong for people expecting to be rewarded for the work they put to produce food.

No one stops you from taking your time and producing food to feed people, if that brings you joy (which would be another kind of reward). But the only conceivable alternative to this scheme I can think of is to force someone to produce food to feed people. And I think that's much worse than capitalism.

Show threadRicardo B�nffyNov 2
@PaniczGodek forcing people to do it is not the only option. Nobody forces people to be firefighters or air traffic controllers, or military (not in the US at least) - our taxes pay for their work. If people don't want to produce food and prefer to let people starve, then it's time we think about the social responsibilities of owning a farm and the legitimacy of owning something that should be a shared good.
Show threadPanicz Maciej GodekNov 3

@rbanffy are you talking about any situation in particular?

Because AFAIK historically the biggest cases of famine took place in People's Republic of China in the late 1950s and early 1960s and in Soviet Union in the 1930s, and neither of those states was capitalist.

Show threadPanicz Maciej GodekNov 3
@rbanffy (also, at least in the EU, farmers receive donations from government, so effectively - our tax money)
Show threadRicardo B�nffyNov 3
@PaniczGodek so, we see some aspects of socialism working well enough. As for the other two cases, at least one was deliberate, much like the Irish Famine before it (where Irish people were starved so that the British could export all food produced in Ireland)
Show threadJurkis 🇱🇹Nov 2
@rbanffy Under socialism, food is produced so that you can stand in line for 3-4 hours to get it. This is my own personal experience.
Show threadRicardo B�nffyNov 2
@Jurkis if the government is efficient, that won't happen - and everyone will be able to eat. Unfortunately, not all countries manage to elect democratic governments, or let democratic government become authoritarian kleptocracies. That's when people have to stand 3-4 hours in line to get food.
Show threadJurkis 🇱🇹Nov 2
@rbanffy under socialism only one government was available to be elected - communists.