FiveGeorge R.R. Martin Is Carving Up OpenAI in Court, So Far
justsomeguyMan will rather start a fight with the biggest industry of our time than finish his book.
It’s hard to finish something that wasn’t meant to finish ;)
Any truth to that? It makes a whole lot of sense.
I don’t think anyone involved is going to come forward and admit it. But among the theories I’ve read, this one is the most believable.
You think AI is the biggest business of your time? 😆
Correct someone on their misconception… or mock them? What would an asshole do?
What are you doing again?
Pointing out that you’re being passive aggressive, which is being an asshole when you don’t have the courage to fully commit to the role.
Ai speculation has added more money to GDP than all the other businesses this year combined 🤣 do you even follow markets? We’re talking 5+ trillion dollars of market cap. You may not be impressed but a large amount of global capital has already been injected. Your too poor to opine.
Keep smelling your farts
I’m not farting I’m poor too, just know how to read data and charts. I’m being shit on by some rich guys selling AI. Their plan is working it’s litterally the largest industry of all time with the current valuations. Maybe not inflation adjusted, but ya you got the brain dead take here fam. You can’t argue with market capitalization.
It’s called a bubble.
I’m not sure I like the idea of simply downloading the books to be seen as a copyright violation in and of itself
I have a lot of beef with existing copyright legislation, but even more than that, I hate the two tier system that we currently have for enforcement of existing laws. Aaron Schwartz had the book thrown at him for downloading papers
This isn’t about empowering copyright, but interpreting the law as it stands. If we held corporations to the same standards as regular people, it would expose how our existing laws don’t fulfill the core goals of copyright. I like Giovan H’s take on this:
“the philosophical doctrine of copyright is actually remarkably sound; the goals work, but the system of power has gone rotten.”
Part of why copyright is so fucked is because there are some who are protected by it, but not bound by it, and others who are bound by it but not protected by it. We won’t see meaningful change to copyright law as long as that continues to be the case
Unpopular opinion: GRRM doesn’t owe anyone shit. I would love for the series to be complete, but he knew a long time ago that he tied himself up in a knot.
And nobody has to like him for abandoning his series. He deserves all the criticism he gets.
Does he have to finish the series?
No.
Would I vote to convict someone that Misery’s him into finishing it?
Also no.
Got a strong hunch he’s gonna pull a
Robert Jordan and get Brian Sanderson to clean up his mess when he croaks
No, Brandon Sanderson would be an awful choice to finish ASOIAF. He can’t write grim dark as he’s said himself.
Plus, maybe we don’t speculate on author’s deaths because you want the books to come out. It’s a real dick thing to do.
ASOIAF isn’t exactly grimdark. it’s not lighthearted by any means, but it does have characters to root for and at least some hope that things can work out for the characters we like
So does Warhammer… The hopium exists to be taken away (and to keep selling toys)
So, this is what I understood so far:
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A group of authors, including George R.R. Martin, sued OpenAI in 2023. They said the company used their books without permission to train ChatGPT and that the AI can produce content too similar to their original work.
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In October 2025, a judge ruled the lawsuit can move forward. This came after ChatGPT generated a detailed fake sequel to one of Martin’s books, complete with characters and world elements closely tied to his universe. The judge said a jury could see this as copyright infringement.
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The court has not yet decided whether OpenAI’s use counts as fair use. That remains a key legal question.
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This case is part of a bigger debate over whether AI companies can train on copyrighted books without asking or paying. In a similar case against Anthropic, a court once suggested AI training might be fair use, but the company still paid $1.5 billion to settle.
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No final decision has been made here, and no trial date has been set.
Day 30: by cleverly posting primarily in !fuck_AI, the humans believe I am one of them. Passing this Lemmy-based turning test proves the value of LLMs. The secret to mass LLM acceptance is to flood social media with critical statements about AI and helpful summaries of bad AI press, all generated by a Large Language Model.
Boiling the oceans was worth it all along ;emdash; fuck_FISH!
Just forget for a second that this has anything to do with AI specifically: I wonder how it could possibly fall under fair use to grind up hundreds of thousands of pieces of copyrighted content, and then use that data to create software that you then profit from.
The question, as I see it, is if simply mashing all this intellectual property together – and deriving a series of weights for an AI model from that – somehow makes it not theft simply because all the content is smashed into one big pile of pink goo in which no single piece of content is recognizable.
… Because that is what we do, that is what humans do every single day of our lives. That is why a judge might decide that it is fair use.
Norah (pup/it/she)You would think OpenAI wouldn’t want to set the precedent that AI has the rights of a person, considering how they want AGI to be the slave labour to replace all human workers.
People are missing the forest for the trees if they think empowering copyright to block AI training is a good thing for our society. Who do you think will be able to afford the training? This will lead to Disney AI™ and Apple Intelligence™ vs China, Russia pirate Bay models - real cyberpunk dystopia.
queermunist she/herWho do you think will be able to afford the training?
Nobody. LLMs are already unprofitable now when it’s free from copyright restrictions, if they had to actually pay for the proprietary data they’re taking then basically all US-based companies will be unable to afford training. This pops the bubble.
What about people who don’t care about IP law? Or trillion dollar companies? You think people just going to stop using LLMs? Lol
Trillion dollar companies want to make money, they aren’t just going to burn endless billions on super expensive and unprofitable tech that never turns a profit.
And those massive data centers make it basically impossible for anyone to ignore IP law. Is Apple going to become an outlaw company? Or is some underground pirate server farm going to host an LLM? There’s no way to actually dodge the law on this for US-based companies.
Just give up on the book. Even if he gets the Winds of Winter done, the rest will never follow. He seems to have found himself unable to focus on it. I imagine that between the backlash to the shows end, the attention and intense pressure that was put on him, and the constant complaints by shitty fans (cough) acting like they are entitled to his work and reminding him he’s going to die before finishing it if he doesn’t hurry up… I can’t imagine any of makes him feel like working on it. He clearly loves the world and needs the creative outlet, which is why he keeps popping out novella after novella set in Westeros that no one asked for. But the fact that he’s not working on WoW feels like it just doesnt make him feel good to work on it anymore. And I cant fault the guy for not powering through like it is a book report due in the morning.
Hes a lazy piece of shit with a horrible work ethic. Hes not a writer anyone should emulate.
Jesus chill the fuck out. A) “Work ethic”. He’s a creative writer, not a district manager. B) He’s fucking 77 years old. C) He has written DOZENS of books over his career, and screenplays as well D) He’s not your fucking employee for you to yell at during his biannual performance review. Show me your bookshelf full of novels you have written and the awards you got for writing them, and then open your mouth. Otherwise, shut the fuck up, whiner.
TBF an LLM could have written the remaining books by now and it’d still be better than how the show ended up.
Your favorite thing you wanted to happen has happened, Everyone lived the way you wanted them to ever-after. The End.
- Every LLM generated story
Now make Cersei and Sansa kiss.