As an art teacher I was worried AI would come up as an issue of "why should I learn how to draw when I can use AI instead."
But the real issue is that my middle schoolers CONSTANTLY believe all art I show them is AI. Digital art. Photography. Oil paintings from the Western canon. "A human couldn't do that"
Being convinced that humans can't make great art is kind of terrifying
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I suspect part of it is that we would feel... shallow if we liked a piece of "AI art": some eye candy generated by a machine without thought!
But I guess one could argue that a human directed the machine, somewhat.
And probably a human selected the "best output".
And in the end us, humans, "filled-in the blanks" creating context, purpose and meaning for a matrix of pixels.
But generated photos and videos about news and politics? That scares me.
@ozzelot @small_cypress
I can't enjoy art if it was made by a soulless machine or in other words the souls of thousands of artists put into this amalgam abomination to humanity made precisely to output soulless garbage that's supposed to replace artists
FUCK AI
@ozzelot @small_cypress
The thing that really upsets me is that we can never go back to just enjoying art for what it is.
Not questioning if it's even made by a person or not. With open source models and how readily available all the tech is.
It's practically impossible to snuff it all out.
All that we can do is be diligent.
And make specific lists of users to block and shun.
Welcome to Science Fiction, episode, oh, about a zillion...
In Neil Stevenson's "The Diamond Age" two small children protagonists are convinced that woven fabric had to be made by nanotech because it was so complex and involved.
Not only can humans create great art, but ONLY humans can create great art.
The "art" on AI is all stolen from human sources. If you cut off the supply of human "training data" from an AI, it degenerates into gibberish. That's why the AI companies are pushing so hard to break copyright law because they want to suck up as much human art as possible into their plagiarism machine.
@FediThing @small_cypress not only this but — even if we could imagine a scenario where an AI could be trained on a vast source of legitimately acquired data, it still couldn’t create art.
Only humans can create art because art has intent behind it. Software has no intentions so it can’t create art. What an AI produces are just images, not art.
Sorry, but I tend to disagree. Humans get inspired by the works and ideas of other humans too.
AI mixes works and stiles and maybe it/she/her gets lucky and creates an output, that we humans can admire.
But in the amount of slob that gets spat out it can be overlooked.
AI isn't being inspired, it's just wholesale copying with no understanding. There is no artistic judgement at work.
Human works don't turn to gibberish when their access to other humans is switched off. They can do art on their own if they have to, and develop it too.
AI cannot do anything on its own, it is entirely about randomly throwing stolen material together with no plan or understanding. When the stolen material stops, so does the AI.
Art isn't randomly mashing together stuff, it's channeling the feelings within you to express it via a medium.
@small_cypress tell them, a computer is a tool that we built to make things easier for ourselves. In this case, it’s like a giant shredder - you push all of human creativity through the shredder and hold out a receptacle, of your own design. The image built by the confetti that falls from the shredder into your specific receptacle is the result.
But, humans built every single part of it, including the receptacle, which you built yourself.
@breizh @small_cypress This is not true.
AI that (only) learns from humans is a small subset of all AI. It's just very hyped right now because generative AI systems are trained with human data. There have been AI systems that vastly outperform humans that have not been trained on humans at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21EYKqUsPfg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement_learning_from_human_feedback
@small_cypress They need to personally see a master of their craft.
The extend of how far putting in effort can take someone is impossible to imagine for someone who hasn't even been alive for as long as the other has practiced.
@small_cypress would seeing an episode of Bob Ross perhaps help them understand how the artistic process works.
Seeing a time lapse is one thing but seeing 'slow art' created in real time can scratch a different brain itch.
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