StametsFucking math...
TheImpressiveXAnswer
Cat_Daddy [any, any]
Carvex(4/100) * 75 = (75/100) * 4
I actually think the mutability of expressions is an under-taught part of maths until you reach like, constructing high-level proofs. Rearranging numbers into already-understood ones is a very useful skill.
ZoDoneRightNow0.04 x 75 == 0.75 x 4 == 75 x 4 x 0.01
switch the order of the last two terms (the second equality), put the 0.01 in the middle, and it makes a bit more sense when read as calculation steps.
0.04 * 75 = 4 * 0.01 * 75 = 4 * 0.75That's fair. I intended them to just be a list of equalities
Is it weird that I just went
start: 75
to actual decimal: .75
*2*2: 1.5 -> 3
Nah we all do weird shit. I did 4x75, then moved from 300. to 3
Meanwhile im the idiot thats like “uh 10% of 75 is 7.5, half it for 5% of 75 is 3.75, 1% of 75 is .75, so its probably 3?”
Lets pray thats one of the options on the multiple choice. Oh the professor wants me to show my math? Well lets hope he’s open to me being an abstract dumbass that is capable of getting the right answer.
I just figured 4% is 1/25 and divided 75/25
idegenszavakMy engineering brain says it’s 3.25.
4% is ~ 5%. 10% of 75 if 7.5. To get the 5% I have to divide it by 2, so 4% of 75 is close to 3.25. I will have to multiply it with some safety coefficient at the end, so the exact value doesn’t matter.
𝔄 𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔦𝔢𝔫𝔱 𝔭𝔦𝔢𝔠𝔢 𝔬𝔣 𝔠𝔥𝔢𝔢𝔰𝔢That’s exactly why we have safety coefficients.
Safety coefficients are for nerds
That’s why you can always double the maximum limits engineers give.
60 mph roadway?
I can do 120 on it no problem.
Eight person elevator? Sixteen.
0.08 BAC? 0.16 easy peasy.
Yes, in elevators usually one cable could hold far more than the full weight, than they add 6 more for the safety.
For rail speed limits this is the exact way they calculate it. For road speed limits they consider break distance, which grows by the square of your speed, so if you go 120 on 60 road, you will need 4 times the distance to stop. I wrote 1.5 as a safety factor, not 4, With a 1.5 safety factor you can go by 75 though, but I would use a 1.1 safety there, as in my country the speed cameras are set up that way, you can go +10% of the official speed limit, they only send a cheque if you went even quicker than that.
That’s because elevators use counter weights usually equal to the weight of the car and half the occupancy load so that it takes less energy to lift it and if it falls for any reason it won’t hit the bottom as long as the counter weights are still attached. The occupancy load is determined by the counter weighting system not the cable load capacity.
Yeah, as I understand it, the elevator will refuse to move instead of collapse, and hopefully you’re not between floors when it happens because it was close and someone shifted their weight or bounced slightly or they might write a sitcom episode about what happens next (and the reality will be far more boring).
Speed limits are trickier than structural safety margins because of several factors:
- In some areas, particularly remote areas, the process isn’t very well defined. Sometimes the speed limit will be set by one guy who just felt like that was fine. Doesn’t even have to be an engineer really.
- Standards evolve over time (trending towards lower speed limits) but speed limits only change when a tragedy or major road renovation happens. Where I live there’s sometimes a 40 km/h spread on posted speed limits for similar roads depending on whether they were rebuilt last year or 50 years ago.
- Car culture means drivers hold a ton of political power. There are a myriad of traffic devices that cannot be built not because of practical or financial constraints, only because they would “inconvenience drivers”. Lower speed limits are often one of those. People complain so the government backs down despite engineering recommendations.
- A driver is always liable if they drive too fast for the conditions, not the traffic engineer. That goes to the previous point, with zero penalty for not sticking to the sensible engineering choice, political pressure easily wins out. Hard to argue against a work order when the person signing off on it cannot be sued for negligence.
The upshot is speed limits in my local experience have a lot more to do with the municipality/region’s political climate than engineering standards and safety factors. Sometimes I feel like I could safely go 2x, sometimes the limit is 90 km/h on a two-way one lane road with 30 m of visibility where 30 km/h feels like I’m pushing it.
jballsCan I also smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then smoke two more?
How do Europeans even measure weed lol
In grams bro.
That’s trippy man, so do we.
Cracks_InTheWallsThe real question is do they start using ounces for amounts equal to or over 28 grams?
I’m confused by this statement, the answer is 3. Why do all these extra steps for a wrong answer?
It’s not wrong, it’s close enough. And the point it works with more numbers and more type of calculation. Let’s calculate 4% of 1243. That’s the same as 1243% of 4, right, much easier to calculate by simply changing the 2 numbers… While my method is the same, by simply rounding everything.
And in engineering you always multiply/divide your results by a 1.5 or 1.25 safety factor, depending on situation. So you don’t have to calculate exact results, just close enough. E.g. G is always 10m/s2. π is only 3.14, the other digits doesn’t matter.
That’s the stupidest shit I have heard today. You should feel ashamed if you really are an engineer
That's how engineering is. In civil you can round π=5 for a lot of calculations. In astrophysics I've seen e=π=10
Rounding once may be okay but rounding multiple times and that errors add up. Astrophysics?! If im working with wood, i don’t care measuring to 0.1 mm and it might be okay in astrophysics to use 10 for pi, but that doesn’t make guessing your math correct in general.
Maybe we are doing things differently here in germany.
BigBenis4 over 100
is
X over 75
And there’s your butterfly.
at this point in my life, as somebody with multiple math degrees, if i ever come across a situation where i need to multiply or divide numbers and one of them is bigger than 12, im going to use a calculator.
OBJECTION!Shitty Math Pro Tip: If you ever have to work with numbers larger than 10, convert it to scientific notation and then round to a single significant figure.
? = 0.04 x 75 ? = (4 x 10^-2) x (7.5 x 10^1) ? ~= (4 x 10^-2) x (8 x 10^1) ? = 4 x 8 x 10^-1 ? = 32 x 10^-1 ? = 3.2 ? ~= 3See how easy that is? Here’s another one:
? = 12 x 12 ? = (1.2 x 10^1) x (1.2 x 10^1) ? ~= (1 x 10^1) x (1 x 10^1) ? = 1 x 10^2 ? = 100Bam, lock it in.
Ah, joy of commutative algebra.
Wait until you get to noncommutative algebra… shudders. No one who mastered that monster of a subject is sane in any measure.
Sunrosa
Noite_EtionThis is the way
halvarWhy did no one ever teach me this?? Did I miss this day in class? I feel so silly. This is really useful.
Most teachers will write it off as obvious. Taking a percentage of something is just multiplication and if you actually write it down with multiplication, it is, indeed, obvious:
4*75/100=75*4/100And yes, it means you can just multiply 75 by 4 first and then divide by 100.