R.L. Dane 
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The thing with a vegan (especially raw) diet is...
Not only do your poops happen like they were engineered by a Japanese car company, they smell... vaguely plant-like.
Amin, minor deity of the legume realmThat sounds like a raw thing; the process of cooking improves your body's ability extract nutrients from food, so it follows naturally that when your body is extracting less value, it produces more waste.
I, at least, when eating vegan (non-raw) have not had this issue.
Guy who's trying his best :(Most vitamins and minerals don't seem to be significantly affected, but I guess if you have a deficiency of folic acid? https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/80400525/Data/retn/retn06.pdf
Just judging that from a brief look over the data; I'd have to do more in-depth analysis to be sure.
Sure, very likely. RL's currently eating only raw food, though.
This feels relevant, by the way: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reality-check-5-risks-of/
"But cooking breaks apart fibers and cellular walls to release nutrients that otherwise would be unavailable from the same raw food. Cooking tomatoes, for example, increases by five-fold the bioavailability of the antioxidant lycopene. Similarly, cooking carrots makes the beta-carotene they contain more available for the body to absorb."
It's not just about whether the nutrients are present, it's about how able your body is to absorb them. And cooking tends to make absorption of nutrients easier for your body.
To be clear, I am all for veganism, and my own tastes/cooking tends that direction—raw veganism just feels questionable to me.
I am, of course, not an actual expert on the topic. Which is why I reiterate my previous recommendation (different conversation) to discuss it with a nutritionist before considering raw veganism as a long-term dietary choice.
The conclusion of the article in terms of the nutritious value of vegetables appears to be that you should be mixing cooked/uncooked to get everything you need.
Heh, indeed.
As for the idea of raw food as "detoxing"—that seems to be very unfounded, at least in the way of actual toxins.
Now, what I have seen evidence for in my exploration of the research is related to the gut-brain axis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut%E2%80%93brain_axis
Put very simply, the bacteria in your gut is able to tell your brain what you're hungry for (Pavlov won a Nobel prize, discovering this). But which bacteria are present in your gut is dependent on your diet; if you eat a lot of junk food, bacteria that feeds on junk food flourishes in your gut and gets a bigger say in your cravings. So I could see a vegan diet (not necessarily raw) helping to foster a different set of bacteria, which in turn retrains your cravings to make you hungry for healthy food instead of unhealthy food, creating an overall positive effect on your body.
I don't think that raw veganism, specifically, would have any greater effect on that, though. Eating healthy should be enough, whatever the form that takes.
Dangit, RL, you got me researching food while fasting again. XD
It's not your fault, I was actually already spending this morning thinking through how to record a podcast while cooking. (Yes, I have an awesome new idea for how to continue Verbose Guacamole in an actually interesting and sustainable way.)
Dear God, please make an episode of #VerboseGuacamole while MAKING GUAC. XD XD XD
Ok, I'll stop talking about food now, I'm sorry. XD
That will likely happen, yes, though I haven't experimented with making guac yet. ;)
(the biggest barrier being that I have no clue how to tell the ripeness of avocados while in the grocery store)
The basic idea of the new format would be to record a podcast while cooking. To some degree it would be about cooking, but it's also just a way of capturing "mealtime prep conversation" and publishing it.
This would address both my concerns about having time to record and having unique ideas that don't steal from my other projects/blogs.
(I'm also tickled by the idea of making an audio show about food, when food is typically seen as involving every sense except hearing.)
I did order a new lavalier microphone to use with my portable recorder, so I can leave it in my pocket and just talk. I also got a system of rechargeable AAA batteries because that recorder eats up batteries like no-one's business and if I'm gonna use it regularly I wanna deal with that.
I had a lavalier mic that came with it but I can't find it now and I don't remember it actually being very good…
Anyway that stuff is supposed to arrive on Tuesday, at which point I can start experimenting! :D
It remains to be seen if I can capture the actual sounds of food cooking with a lavalier mic or if I'm going to want to upgrade my recording setup to the point of having two microphones, one for the food and one for my voice.
Can the Tangara record? Does it have a sneaky input like the iPod did, using the TRRS jack?
Um, maybe? Probably not, without some hardware modification.
What I have is this thing: https://zoomcorp.com/en/gb/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h1n-handy-recorder/
Zoom makes some cool stuff. Is there a possibility of jury-rigging a LiPo? Maybe just using rechargeable AAAs? (That has its own disadvantages, of course)
As I said two posts up in the thread, I've ordered rechargeable AAAs. ;)
It can also run off of USB power, which is what I've mostly done in the past.
Yeah, an audio show highlighting the sounds of cooking sounds utterly delightful!
That's really fascinating, and explains a lot.
I will say that when I sample foods outside of the diet (I haven't tried cooked vegan foods specifically, but stuff like one little french fry, I had a can of diet coke, and some assorted salted nuts), they're all very moreish, while the vegan (raw) food I'm eating is usually very satisfying.
What I don't know is if the moreishness of the junkier foods is inherent, or an adaptation of my previous lifestyle.
It could definitely be some of both. There are definitely foods that are easier to just… keep eating past what your body actually needs. That's part of why when my family asks if I want seconds I always say I'm gonna let the food I've eaten sit for a bit, first; I wanna give my body a chance to feel out if I actually want more food than what I've eaten so far.
Yeah, the funny thing is that I honestly enjoy the food I'm eating now, it's just that I don't usually care about seconds.
I think one thing is that your taste buds can get accustomed to a certain level of flavor and whatnot, and you can become content (to the point of enjoyment) while eating relatively bland foods that won't be tempting to overeat.
My mom was trying to explain this to me several times over the past few years, but I wasn't listening. I wanted my sriracha. XD
A big part of the program (at least for me), was to sit before your food in contemplation an thankfulness, and to eat very slowly, purposefully, and meditatively. It slowed down the food-shoveling reflex, and I think it actually increased the enjoyment of otherwise pretty bland foods.
Maybe I'm ready to live in England now, HEY-OOOOOOO!!!!
Not caring about seconds is healthy, I think. I'm usually the same way when I cook for myself; I have a pretty solid grasp of what a "serving size" is.
Another good point though, is that ground spices are a phenomenal way to add some delicious flavor to your cooked meals. I use my Indian spices in most things I cook, at this point. Oh, and cumin in everything, of course. ;)
I think what I meant to say is that when I'm eating THIS (raw) food, I don't care about seconds.
Normally, I'm all about seconds and/or huge portions. :P
That's a good read. I already had a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the raw food hype was deeply pseudoscientific.
I think I will probably start introducing more cooked foods gradually, but honestly, I'm at a place where I could eat nothing for a month or three and barely have any long-term ill effects.
So, raw food, in one particularly slanted sense, is a kind of dietary fasting to me.
Sounds like a plan! Once you're wanting to start a transition to cooked vegan ask @daniel and myself and I'm sure we can help you get some stuff figured out for both nutrition and tastiness. ;)
@amin @OpenComputeDesign @daniel
NOICE!!
Anything off the top of your head for a "start adding this first when you're ready to start cooking" suggestion?
I will say that the place I was going to wasn't necessarily recommending #RawVegan long-term, but for a period of time, as a kind of "detox" (again, I know that's a pseudoscientific gray area that gets insanely overblown)
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I mean, my personal favorite is legumes. Chickpeas and lentils mainly, but just beans in general… they can be so good and so healthy! :D
Learning to cook beans and then prepare meals with them was a key skill for me. I mean, you can use cans, but I feel so much happier when cooking from dried, I dunno. Either way will keep forever in the pantry, so there's little reason not to stock up on legumes.
Rice is another big one; I eat rice with most of my meals, though admittedly that may be the Asian side of me. Might just be a good time to get into the vegetables you can't really eat raw; potatoes, for example, I enjoy cooking with potatoes.
This whole conversation has actually been getting me considering making potato and bean korma tomorrow… (the recipe I have is from one of our Afghan neighbors, but, uh, with way less oil.) I've only made it with my mom, never alone.
Daniel, aka. CactiChameleon9@amin @rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign I've been summoned. Your local vegan is here!!
Emmmm... I'll be honest. I hardly know what I cook anymore. I pretty consistently make meals that make me go "yum", but it's usually a stare at my pantry of stuff and come up with a vague end goal
I know a decent few cooking techniques and can imagine flavours pretty well... But if you want specifics, say!
My most recent meal: spicy soy protein tomatoy vegetabley stir fry thing with rice that was really tasty
@daniel @amin @OpenComputeDesign
Yaay! We have summoned a wild vegan! ;)
I think I might just start off with some daal. I probably want to avoid rice, because of the calories. I'll stick to some kind of roughage as my side. I still really like zoodles surprisingly much. XD
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…if you're not using rice, what will you eat the dal with? It's a little… soupy… on its own…
thedoctor@thedoctor @rl_dane @daniel @OpenComputeDesign
Nothing. Dal just isn't soup, imo. 🤷
@thedoctor @rl_dane @daniel @OpenComputeDesign
I mean sure you could eat it that way, but when I make dal, I'm not trying to make a soup. :P
@amin @thedoctor @daniel @OpenComputeDesign
Funny how a soup can be eaten on its own, but a stew kinda can't? ;)
@thedoctor @amin @daniel @OpenComputeDesign
I dunno, because it's kinda chunky and begs a counterpoint of at least a slice of bread or something?
@amin @daniel @OpenComputeDesign
I still love raw zoodles. I had zoodles with hummus for dinner, so half-raw, half-(normal) vegan.
I suppose I could make hummus with raw, sprouted garbanzos, but... ehh. ;)
@rl_dane @daniel @OpenComputeDesign
There is a recipe for that I ran across! https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Hummus_with_Sprouted_Chickpea
@amin @daniel @OpenComputeDesign
NOICE! Aren't you glad it's no longer Friday???!? XD
@amin @OpenComputeDesign @daniel
Potatoes are a bit of an addiction of mine, so I think I'll stay away for a little bit longer. XD
I do have a recipe for raw sweet potato bisque which is actually really delightful.
BEANS! Yes. There will be beans. I will transition to cooked with beans.
By aftsection will be an absolute unit of methane production.
cc: @Twizzay.social.linux.pizza for fart humor. All hail the mighty TWIZ, for we love thee.
@rl_dane @amin @OpenComputeDesign @daniel Grow your own potatoes like we do! The profit is basically endless.
@thedoctor @rl_dane @amin @daniel
My family grows mostly potatoes.
Potatoes are alright, but way over hyped tbh
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SHUT YOUR DEPRAVED MOUTH, RICE-BOY! /j
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @thedoctor @daniel
No, no, I'm the rice boy.
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @thedoctor @daniel
Also: https://rice-boy.com/rb/index.php
This guy's comics are fantastic, and they all start with one named "Rice Boy".
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @thedoctor @daniel
(My personal favorite of his comics is Vattu: https://rice-boy.com/vattu )
@amin @OpenComputeDesign @thedoctor @daniel
Dude... are you like... physically JACKED-IN to the internet? Like, do you have an RJ-45 port in your right temple? XD
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @thedoctor @daniel
Who told you about that??
I need names! James was supposed to keep the remodel a secret.
@rl_dane @OpenComputeDesign @thedoctor @daniel
I'm not a robot. Really… I'm not!
i'm not a robot (archived post)
In this enlightened age, we often hear the terms “diversity,” “equal opportunity,” and “tolerance” thrown around. It seems like we’re willing to allow anyone equal rights with everyone else.But there’s one minority group that has no rights. This group of individuals is routinely denied service everywhere, even on websites.I’m talking about Robots.
Sam D@rl_dane @amin @OpenComputeDesign @thedoctor @daniel usually they put them in the back of the neck, where it meets the shoulders, or in the wrist for easy access.
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Hey, raccoon man, stop giving away trade secrets! ;D