Joe Rogan on Trump's mass deportations: "I really thought they were just going to go after the criminals"

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Joe Rogan on Trump's mass deportations: "I really thought they were just going to go after the criminals" - Pawb.Social

Lemmy

I always thought he was a dumb media whore, but it turns out that he’s stupid for free.

~This post is not meant to disparage sex workers, who actually add take care of their community~

How do sex workers take care of their communities?
They provide sex for people that want it.
I mean I do that too
And roughly where are you located?
At my house bro
Whoa! I’m at my house! Are you me???
There’s no way to know for sure.
Which is good for mental and emotional health
Not sure about their own mental and emotional health though
Lets be honest that will change when the stigma is removed.
If it was removed
The same could be said for working in retail.
Somehow I don’t think it’s quite on the same level

No indeed.

Sex workers are at least allowed to decline customers.

This reminds me of how white collar office workers bemoan to physical labourers how “at least you get to be outside, it’s just so soul crushing to be in a cubicle you know” lol
Prevalence, risk and resilience factors of mental health conditions among female sex workers: a systematic review and meta-analysis

Female sex workers are a vulnerable hard-to-reach group. Research in this field is scarce due to several issues, such as methodological difficulties or societal stigmatization. Most of the available literature focuses on sexually transmittable ...

PubMed Central (PMC)
Not speaking of the sex worker mental health buddy. It’s good for societies. See Europe.
So you are okay with an underclass of people suffering because you think it might be good for society?

I’m pretty suffering comes more from social stigma around sex and policies implemented around it creating gray spaces that people use to harm them.

Example: SESTA FOSTA lead to bans on social media centered around sex workers so their jobs became less safe without networks of people who can distribute warnings about violent johns or track down missing persons.

Would you enjoy doing sex work? Would you enjoy having sex with men that you were not attracted to, and needing to pretend that you enjoyed it? How do you think it would affect your relationship with your body? Put all of the legal stipulations you want for safety, etc, in this scenario. Do you think you wouldn’t experience harm to your mental health?

How would you measure mental health harm? Suicide rate by job?

Intimate jobs like dentists, doctors and vets have high suicide rates. Jobs that stress people’s bodies like construction workers and farm workers have high suicide rates. Jobs with exposure to violence like police and military have high suicide rates. Jobs with high chemical exposure rates like chemists and manufacturing. These kind of jobs have risks. Sex workers tend to deal with the first three.

Should we start banning jobs based on mental health outcomes? Or should we just make sure whatever jobs people have they are treated with respect and recieve the healthcare they need to function. What we should be doing is making sure such jobs are conducted as safely as possible for everyone involved.

The supposed “concern” about sex workers mental health without concern for similarly mentally stressful jobs is usually a sign somebody is actually operating from a bad faith position about how sex work is “icky”.

Nice assumption. Obviously I’m coming at this from a puritanical point of view. Absolutely none of this has anything to do with the research I shared, or my own experience of survival sex work. I must be a prude.

I think construction workers, farm workers, and dentists are all, yah know, necessary professions. We have to eat, we have to have places to live, we have to have teeth… There’s no need for sex workers. Ideally, we’d have UBI and the profession wouldn’t even exist. I’m not sure saddling someone with lifelong trauma so someone can get an orgasm is quite the same thing.

It’s funny how many “leftist” men lose their leftism the second the suggestion that se. work is inherently exploitative and harmful…

You didn’t answer my question either. You willing to suck a dick for $20?

The things that drive people to “voluntary” sex work is often the same stuff that everybody with a “voluntary” job contends with: education, rent, food etc.

I do think an obvious step is making sure those needs are met by society to reduce coercion.

As for the necessity of jobs, I don’t think sex workers, drug dealers or butchers should be jobs that exist, but I would not outlaw those people for practicing jobs that I think shouldn’t exist. I don’t think those jobs should be illegal.

Banning sex work does little but create another power imbalance that predators use to exploit sex workers similar to how criminalizing drugs leads to more exploitation.

As for sucking dicks, I would rather do that than perform surgeries or butcher animals. If folks are only getting $20 bucks for a blowjob that seems criminally low.

Notice at no point I made the argument that sex work should be criminalized. You are arguing against points I haven’t made.

I don’t believe sex work should be criminalized, although I lean towards the Nordic model of criminalizing the actions of a purchaser. Sex work being criminalized is harmful to the people desperate enough to turn to it, because it adds to stigma which keeps them trapped in the profession and makes them vulnerable to further exploitation by the police.

My argument is that sex work is inherently harmful. Not that it should be illegal, not that it’s “icky” because sex, but that sex work does psychological damage to the people who resort to it. If one purchases the services of a sex worker, they are participating in a harmful and morally wrong act.

The Nordic model is a good legalization model but if the goal is to reduce exploitation then those exploitative pathways are almost always unmet needs like housing, education, etc. Addressing those is also a necessary step.

My argument is that a lot of work does psychological damage and that putting sex work in a box that says its uniquely damaging is the way to setup the argument that sex work is need of a unique solution to other exploitation. Which I don’t think it is. So you may not have made certain points directly but you’ve definitely been making arguments that conservatives have used to argue for bans on sex workers or at least exempt them from laws intended to reduce exploitation (SESTA FOSTA being an example of a well meaning law that endangered sex workers)

If you’re arguing that johns should be stigmatized, then I don’t disagree. Its also something that seems like a normative position to me. That johns should be stigmatized also a position nobody argued against.

I do think the stigma that the sex workers recieve themselves for being exploited is also a normative position and that is a more dangerous thing than stigma against johns. Its also a major political obstacle to extending things like housing and social support to sex workers so it seems like an obvious thing people would expect would mention in these discussions and not see as an “argument”.

Yeah for 500+ dollars. You could get it free by going to a bar and talking to people.
I could?!?! Why did no one tell me this before now?!?!?!
you bring too dumb to use the correct there/their/they’re is just perfect. It puts that extra zing to how dumb you make yourself look.
And I won’t change it either, you make yourself look equally dumb for insulting someone because they have a different belief than you, stop being a bigot you may find it enjoyable.
They’re not making fun of you for having a different belief, but for having a stupid belief.
That’s an incredibly ignorant outlook.
What kind of well taken care of prostitutes are you getting? I’ve only talked to one my entire life and she was offering pussy for $20 as I was yelling at her to get out of my car because I was picking someone up as an Uber.
That’s the price in shitmurica.
So I’ve got this new business idea…
Not a very difficult thing to do and last time I checked they didn’t do it out of kindness.

Do people need to do things out of their own kindness for it to be valuable?

I am great at my job. I don’t do it for free or out of the kindness of my heart.

Depends heavily on individual opinion, in certain circumstances it does to me. Intent is very important to consider, if someone does something nice for the wrong reason then morally I believe it is not a valid act of kindness. keep in mind I’m not saying nor did I at any point say that prostitutes suck dick for the wrong reason.
Don’t most people provide a service in return for a payment
Yes, that’s good for society and the economy.
Sex workers laid the foundation for so much of nightlife. They also did a ton for trans rights.
In what instances?

In the latter case it’s a correlation not causation situation. When a group of people is disproportionately pushed into either hiding or sex work, then yeah the major pushes for liberation for that group are gonna come from sex workers.

Idk sex work is a job, no good in trying to make the people doing it into working class heroes.

I also believe the job should be safe and legal, but trying to argue that all sex workers are community heros is ignorant as fuck. You think people go into the sex industry because they wanna make your pp feel good and they care about depression? Maybe a few have, but most don’t.
I wasn’t the person you were arguing with. Ime most sex workers are doing it either for desperation or as a side gig that meets their capacity. I almost did it once when I was in a bad spot before deciding I wasn’t desperate enough to do sales, and I have an ex who sold nudes before it was cool. In fact I’m pretty sure I tried to make it clear I don’t think of them as community heroes and was more agreeing with you, just explaining one of the person you were arguing with’s points.
Yeah sorry, all the arguing put me in my arguing hyperfocus so I really just wanted to argue with everyone at that moment, it’s a personality flaw me thinks.
I do still kinda wanna argue tho…
Wanna keep arguing?
From my experience as a circus and burlesque performer in nightlife, most safety practices were created by sex workers. They also set the styles that then evolved into drag and burlesque. Sex work is also historically a part of the circus. I owe a lot of what I do to them.

You just made me miss my days photographing the BDSM and alt scene. Some of the most genuinely caring people I ever met who were truly concerned for everyone’s happiness and safety.

I was always torn between my love for preserving these incredible moments and my desire but unwillingness to participate and it became exhausting. Looking back on it, I’m sad that I decided to step away.

Long story short, I’m eternally grateful to people like you and appreciate your contributions to mental health, safety, community, and the arts.

Name definitely checks out haha
I feel so validated right now! Most users who find out or guess my username meaning get upset that it has nothing to do with cartography.
Feel free to come back. As a leatherwoman we still love good and respectful photographers.
Message me if you’re ever in south Texas! I love a good reason to get behind a camera, and will often make a deal if given a challenge that’s interesting enough.
Thanks for the offer but with any luck I will never go to Texas. Good luck!

Yeah, that’s probably the safer option… Thanks for the well-wishes!

Stay safe out there

Not really kink, but look up the three legged dog sideshow. It’s a Texas based circus troupe but they travel a lot. Fantastic people. Dan Block in particular is one of my friends and mentors

Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll have to check them out the next time I’m up in Austin.

Carmen Getsum has gotta be one of the greatest names I’ve ever heard.

I wasn’t asking for your experiences, I was asking if you could provide any evidence to support the claim that was made.
You don’t seem to like the topic so any example anyone provides will be something you don’t like