StametsAnother L for bigotry
Peruvian_SkiesWait, is it true that you have to burn a Quran if you’re going to dispose of it? I’d like to know the reasoning behind that, I bet it’s interesting. Or is she just trolling the troll?
It does strike me as being more respectful than just tossing it in the garbage.
They used to reuse books too, so it prevents someone from coming along and covering up the word of God with homicidal rabits
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unconsequentialBurial, a body of running water or burning appear to be the proper ways of disposal of a damaged or old Quran.
CorkyskogNo, you have to do some additional steps like wrapping it in additional material or putting flowers or something that involves throwing even more stuff into the creek to show you care.
If you only throw one thing it is littering. If you throw a bunch of stuff in a predetermined way it is being respectful.
It seems notable that two of those three are also how many societies dispose of human bodies. As I understand it Islam is generally against cremation of humans, but at least from my outside perspective it seems like the usage of cremation by pre-Islamic societies in the region could still lead to it being seen as respectful even if it's no longer held as suitable for humans
The US flag code requires burning. Cremation is a thing. Burning is a respectful way to dispose of things in a lot of cultures.
Burial is also considered acceptable, AFAIK
Flag is a pretty good comparison. Burning is the recommended disposal method, but people want to ban it and/or get very upset when it’s burned
OfCourseNotIn my country (eu) it's illegal to burn the national flag. It's also illegal to burn a picture of the king (offence to the crown), and making a post like this but with a bible would be considered 'offence to the religious sentiments' (this is only for catholics, the feelings of other believers be damned).
Yeah, there are a lot of reasons that I oppose laws against burning or defacing things as part of a protest by default and those are some examples of why.
If done as part of an implicit threat, like buring with chants about committing violence it should count as part of the threating message, but not by itself as a symbol of defiance or to just cause offense.
SCOTUS has previously ruled that burning the American flag is protected speech, but I believe they have upheld (or just not heard cases against) state laws that burning crosses is hate speech or threatening speech (which are not protected.)
Yes, SCOTUS has consistently ruled that threats of violence are different than protesting.
Burning a cross on someone's lawn is an implicit threat of future violence because that is the only historical use of burning crosses on someone's lawn. Burning a flag in a public space is saying you disagree with the government, which is a protest.
Burning a cross in America is not a message that you hate Christians. It’s deeply associated with the racist organization the ku klux klan and their extrajudicial murders of black people.
So yeah you can do the thing associated with being mad at a country but not the thing associated with “get your melinated skin in line as per our beliefs or we kill your entire family”
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It’s still wild to me that in 2025 democracies allow themselves to have royalty. What a farce!
I think even the Bible can be burned.
Interesting fact: any paper containing the word “allah” can’t be thrown away or disposed of using any other way than burning. That’s why Quran has to be burned.
This is done to prevent the text from coming into contact with “Nagasat” (impurities), which include but aren’t limited to: human waste, sperm, mensural blood, most bodily fluids in general, dog saliva, spirits/drinkable alcohol, swine meat/fat/anything, decomposing garbage, etc.
I think I got most of them but I’m not 100% sure.
Now, if your name actually contains the word, then you’re stuck here with me having to burn receipts and whatnot for your entire life.
I’m so very disappointed that our Muslim cousins have been lead towards such arrogance as to call our god Allah. It’s disrespectful and intolerant behaviour, and unchristlike.
I know you’re trolling, but for anyone else curious: the word “Allah” means god.
We have two words for deity: “Elah” (often in polytheistic contexts), and “Allah” (in the Abrahamic monotheistic sense)
Both words mean “god”. The word Allah is more specific in that it implies monotheism. It has no plural form. Semantically it means “the one true deity”.
The closest analogues are the Hebrew Yahweh/Jehovah.
Arabian Christians use the same word (Allah) to refer to god in their prayer and literature. Their word for Jesus is يسوع (transliteration: Yasoo’a), although the last letter (Ain ع) can’t be pronounced in English.
We have two words for deity: “Elah” (often in polytheistic contexts), and “Allah” (in the Abrahamic monotheistic sense)
Both words mean “god”. The word Allah is more specific in that it implies monotheism. It has no plural form. Semantically it means “the one true deity”.
tl;dr Elah means god, Allah means God
And that’s what’s so arrogant and intolerant about the word allah. Every time it’s used, it’s a declaration that only one god exists. How can you love your neighbours if you attack their beliefs every time you pray? You can’t. Jesus wouldn’t want us saying such thoughtlessly mean-spirited things. He’d want Arabic speakers to say Elah instead.
does that mean that if any book, mentions allah, even in as a passing mention, has to be disposed by cremation? or that rule only applies to specific religious texts?
Anything. Like if someone wrote my name and phone number on a piece of paper they have to burn it when they’re done with it.
so if a pulp fiction novel mentioned allah somewhere, does it has to be treated specially?
Most Arabic literature avoids using the word outright unless it’s dedicated to the topic. Even Islamic books often refer to god by other names (e.g the creator, the merciful, the god of gods)
Fictional books are even less likely to use the word.
Can you cut the paper in half so that you no longer have a piece of paper with the word “Allah” on it?
You probably could but not everyone will
What happens if someone writes blasphemies against Allah, citing him by name, on a piece of paper? Does that still merit all the pomp and ceremony, or can it be thrown in the bin?
Stupid thought exercise
What about different media
Stone. Can a just send a Muslim I don’t like huge cement blocks with the word allah edged into them and they will have to keep them as there is no save way to discard them
Digital. The servers of sh.itjust.works now contain the word allah. Does the word come into contact with the pictures of fog shot that are also saved on the server. Is it OK to delete the servers or will they need to be burned down as well
In my particular sect of Islam (I’m no longer practising), we dispose of religious texts by putting them in still water, at least until the ink dissolves and the paper turns to mush. In other places, for example certain places in Pakistan, the only valid disposal is by burying, leading to massive caves filled with millions of Qurans and other religious texts.
I was curious as well so I looked it up. Cornell does list burning as an acceptable method of disposing the Koran. Other methods include burial (but at a respectful place), sinking it in a river, and shredding.
A few religions require burning of sacred texts and objects as the method of disposing of them. Its prevalent in Hinduism and Buddhism.
PiraHxCxThere was one historical context where it was disposed that way under supervision of prophet’s old friends and religious leaders.
I do also remember my religious studies teacher saying it’s permitted as “just throwing into trash or shredder is more disrespectful,” however you MUST not have bad intentions.
Also not all Muslims took years of religious studies in elementary and middleschool and a lot of topics are debatable so people will get mad regardless. All muslims won’t simply be “cool with it.”
It does help, thanks a lot!
I don’t know who this woman is but I love her. Calmly disassembling this douchnozzle’s attempt at desecration.
I’m reminded of a case here in the UK a few years back where bigots left something like 200 bacon sandwiches on the doorstep of a mosque. The next day the mosque released a statement to the press thanking the unknown people for their kind donation and that the local non-Muslim homeless population had very much appreciated the sandwiches that the people at the mosque had distributed to them.
I don’t. I feel like this is a dog whistle for Muslims to take action. Preformative at best, violent at worst.
0xDEh, all religion is just cancer.
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I’m disappointed you think that. I firmly believe there’s a religion for everyone on this planet. And that hatred of religion as a concept can easily lead to dismissing foreign cultures’ spiritual practices.
And why should everyone have a religion?
Religion is just believing without evidence. And with that “logic” you can make up anything and get people to believe in it. That is how every cult starts. A religion is just a long lasting cult. It is nothing more than a bit for control over people like you.
No wonder that the majority of religious people believe in the religion they were taught when they couldn’t think critically yet.
I’m afraid I don’t have time to answer all your hastily listed arguments with a well thought out response, so I’ll just pick one. You said religion is belief without evidence, but that’s faith. Religion is actually organised belief or worship. There are many religions that don’t require any faith to believe in.
For example many Buddhists don’t believe in any of the parts of the religion they consider supernatural, and instead focus on the philosophy and life advice, which is still religious in nature because of its organisation.
Worshippers of the Antichrist, Donald Trump, also don’t tend to believe without apparent evidence. The evidence they do believe in is all lies, but what they’re doing still isn’t faith. Being lied to with bad evidence isn’t faith.
And as a third example, the religion of Mammon, the worship of money, can be practiced entirely unknowingly and without the slightest suggestion of false belief. It’s clearly true that money runs the world, and many people worship money and capitalism because of its obvious and true power over us.
And I think if you don’t choose a religion consciously, then like many worshippers of Mammon, you will end up joining a system of organised worship unconsciously.
It doesn’t matter how organised the belief is or how established the belief is, it’s still belief without evidence. I have no idea why you brought Trump up he has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever since his supporters don’t believe in him, they can see him right there in front of them. You don’t need to believe in things that demonstrably exist.
The Lemmy developers are Marxists, that’s a political opinion not a belief (for what it’s worth they would probably claim to be Christian). Do you seriously think it is impossible to hold opinions about any particular matter without them being religiously based, if so how does my preferred brand of peanut butter relate to religious dogma?
I’m sorry that the education system has failed you so.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief
a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. e.g. I believe in president Trump’s leadership
something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed. e.g. Donald Trump is truly one of the presidents of all time
conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence. e.g. *President Trump sure does exist, alright, I looked at the evidence and I believe he’s real.
Trump’s worshippers fit all three definitions for belief in Trump, even if you and I wish they wouldn’t fit the first.
I’m sorry you’ve been lead to believe that belief is only for things that aren’t true. I hope one day you learn how to believe in true things like staplers and giraffes.
Your condescending attitude not withstanding I’ll address your point.
We are talking about religious belief, no one religiously believes in Trump, now you can use the word to describe his supporters if you want, but it’s a corruption of the idea (and before you start “corruption” here refers to redefining a words original concept). They like him a lot, that’s it. You can’t believe in Trump any more than you can believe in potatoes.
As for the education system having failed me, I think we’re operating far beyond anything the education system ever bothered to tackle.
Now if we could stop talking about Trump that would be great, because despite the fact you think you’re being clever, he’s completely irrelevant to the concept of religion. Just like most people who are losing the arguement you have reframed it to talk about a different subject matter to try and make me argue a point which is miles away from the original talking point.
zarkanianReligion is just believing without evidence.
There are plenty of things that require belief without evidence that aren’t religion (conspiracy theories, pseudoscience). There are also religions that rely on science for answers, and so they do require evidence.
There are plenty of things that require belief without evidence that aren’t religion (conspiracy theories, pseudoscience)
Well I’m sold