I mean, you can do whatever you want.
Part of Anarchy is understanding and accepting that that is a true for all individual life regardless of any laws or guideline.
Consequences come after actions and do not stop committing to an action.
But the more important part is taking this knowledge and asking ourselves, how can we deal with this fact and build a society that respects it while maintaining order?
Part of Anarchy is understanding and accepting that that is a true for all individual life regardless of any laws or guideline.
I feel like this is the crux that I’ve seen people disregarding too often. They know how to make the perfect society, and it only requires everyone else having the same exact ideology and priorities that they do.
Regardless of semantics, it would “work” if it’s what 100% of the population supported and worked towards. Obviously that’s not the case in reality, but the same applies to anarchism. Anarchism is just uniquely vulnerable to bad actors when the reality sets in that not everyone is going to be a well intentioned.
Also from a geo-political perspective, anarchism would be exceptionally easy for neighbors with bad intentions (think Russia) to take advantage of.
I don’t understand why people think this is the case, anarchy doesn’t mean we let shit people do shit things. We still fight back, we still kick them out of our communities and we still protect one another. Real world anarchy has a pretty strong history of fighting back and keeping itself safe, the Zapatista still exist, the Spanish anarchists basically just lost a war and that’s not exactly a problem unique to anarchism…
It’s no more vulnerable than other societal structures, it’s significantly less so given the way that corruption is much much hard to get away with given that individual people can’t hold positions of power, only positions of responsibility which may be taken from them at any moment.
It’s not it “would work if,” it does work.
Spanish anarchists lost the war because they were disorganized and vulnerable to external pressure (competing political parties like the Communists at the time) which was half my original point.
Zapatistas exist in the single poorest state in Mexico, which is not exactly a ringing endorsement of the “ideal government form” as many here apparently believe.
I’m having too good of a day to argue about this so believe what you will, it’s no skin off my back. But I’ll say that being poor is not the same thing as being crushed by external forces, I never mentioned anything about anarchy making people rich. Anyway, wealth is literally a meaningless metric to those of us who don’t want or believe in money.
The case of the Spanish collectives is a lot more nuanced than that. Regardless, acting as if being disorganised is a result of anarchism is just silly.
Like I said believe what you want but again, there’s no reason anarchy is any less susceptible to external forces than anything else. It’s just about structuring society and giving a shit about people.
hii, please do not let lemmy comments form your understanding of anarchism. it seems that gave you some wrong ideas. anarchists are not naive or idealistic about people and hierarchical structures.
if you want to learn about anarchism, i can recommend a few video essays which might give you a better understanding of anarchism and might answer your criticism.
(full disclosure, i havent watched these videos in a while, and mostly picked them, because i vaguely remember them talking about the topics you mentioned)
all of these videos are by the same person. i think they make some of the best videos about anarchist theory that i know, (and videos are a easy way to get into new things), while also being active on the ground as an anarchist organiser, being able to measure their ideas against their lived reality. i hope you will consider what they have to say
take care :3
That line in particular isn’t an ideology, it’s a fact. Committing murder is illegal, but if I want to, I can still murder someone. More generally, systems can be put into place to prevent behaviour, but anyone can still try to get around them.
(I’m not a full on anarchist since it doesn’t seem practical but I do agree with many of the ideals.)
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