Mastodawn

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Almost 29 million requests from AI crawlers defeated by essentially one simple check: if the user agent contains Chrome/ or Firefox/, and doesn't have sec-fetch-mode, it's going into the maze.

Billions of dollars poured into AI, yet, their crawlers are broken by two ifs in an nginx config.

If this all wasn't so sad, I'd laugh.

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Niko Oct 7, 2025

@algernon 0.02% human is just straight up depressing

Democracy practicioner Oct 7, 2025

@niko Yeah...

And once I sit down to catch some of the stragglers, it'll be in <0.01% territory. It's so, so, so stupid, indeed.

🍵 macha (hamac303)Oct 8, 2025

@niko @algernon they ain’t beating the dead internet allegations.

@algernon do you have these nginx ifs available somewhere?
because while i have planned to deploy iocaine at some point, i havent had the time to do it yet, but i could just plop something into nginx configs for now

Democracy practicioner Oct 7, 2025

@4censord Not yet. It's in a WIP blog post I planned to publish last weekend. I hope to have it up in a few days.

It goes something like this:

set $sfm "default"
if ($http_user_agent ~ "(Chrome/|Firefox/)") {
  set $sfm $http_sec_fetch_mode;
}
if ($sfm = "") {
  return 418;
}

(Note: I cobbled this together a couple of days ago, but haven't had the chance to test it yet.)

@algernon oh i'm looking forward to that post then!
in the meantime i'll try these ifs and see what happens

aburka 🫣Oct 8, 2025

@algernon I just hope you aren't popular enough that they see this and fix it

Democracy practicioner Oct 8, 2025

@aburka Heh. Well. If they do, I have about a dozen other ways to catch them, half of them similarly cheap.

@algernon where can I finde some documentation about this?

Democracy practicioner Oct 8, 2025

@hbauer Nowhere yet, but I'll have a blog post up about it soon (somewhere here). I wanted to publish that last weekend, but got distracted. Hoping to publish it in the next few days.

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the esoteric programmer Oct 8, 2025

@algernon what's sec-fetch-mode? also, what's the risk of this affecting humans? chrome and firefox are valid browsers after all, although I dk if those are valid user agents

Democracy practicioner Oct 8, 2025

@esoteric_programmer sec-fetch-mode is another HTTP header that Chrome & Firefox send, whenever they're requesting something over HTTPS.

If the header is not present while the user-agent suggests it's Chrome or Firefox, the likelyhood of it being a bot is extremely high.

The only exception I know of is the scenario in which someone puts a page into Reader Mode under Firefox and reloads it while in reader mode - that ends up with Firefox not sending the sec-fetch-mode header for some odd reason. Restoring a saved session with tabs in Reader Mode suffers from the same problem, that restore is essentially a reload.

This... doesn't happen often. I know of one case where it caused problems, and we quickly found a workaround: leave reader mode, reload, get back into reader mode. I've been keeping an eye on my logs since, and in the past month or so, I couldn't find any case where the browser was Firefox, and without a sec-fetch-mode header, and wasn't a bot (I have other indicators that let me decide this, but those require my particular setup).

In short: the risk of this affecting humans is not zero, but very tiny, and there's a workaround. One can serve them a page in that case describing the workaround.

the esoteric programmer Oct 8, 2025

@algernon what about rss readers and the like? those use that kind of user agent too, right?

Democracy practicioner Oct 8, 2025

@esoteric_programmer No, they do not, unless they're browser extensions, in which case the browser will take care of the header.

Some use Mozilla/5.0 in their user agent, but they usually do not have Firefox/<version> or Chrome/<version> in the user agent, unless they are running within said browser.

the esoteric programmer Oct 8, 2025

@algernon ahh, mozilla/5.0 compatible, etc etc, that's what I was thinking when you said firefox, gotcha

Democracy practicioner Oct 8, 2025

@esoteric_programmer Ah! Yeah, no, not Mozilla/5.0, that'd be too broad. Explicitly Firefox/ or Chrome/ in the user agent.

the esoteric programmer Oct 8, 2025

@algernon hmm, gnome-podcasts uses tor's user agent, that would trigger this, right?

Democracy practicioner Oct 8, 2025

@esoteric_programmer I just checked - yeah, gnome-podcasts would be a false positive here.

Thanks for highlighting that, I'll do some more digging!

a very weeny construct 💀Oct 8, 2025

it's no iocaine but here's @algernon's heuristic for detecting many bots, in Caddyfile syntax

@ai-scrapers {
 header User-Agent *Firefox/*
 header User-Agent *Chrome/*
 header !Sec-Fetch-Mode
}
respond @ai-scrapers "🖕( ︶︿︶)" 467 {
 close  
}

... recently installed on orbital.rodeo 😏

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2something Oct 9, 2025

@algernon

Hiya,
I am curious to see what the "maze" looks like. Is there a way I (a human) can preview it?

Democracy practicioner Oct 9, 2025

@2something https://poison.madhouse-project.org/

Feel free to look around! There are QR codes and fake jpegs, and a bunch of other fun stuff :)

Lie quiet.

Fun with.

2something Oct 9, 2025

@algernon Thank you!

Do all the QRs contain only plain text or are some of them links?

Oh wow I can ignore the links and type anything in the URL for a page.

Democracy practicioner Oct 9, 2025

@2something All QR codes are text. And yes, any and all URLs on that host will generate some kind of garbage :)

You can even directly go to a .jpg or .png, or .svg URL, or .css and .js too!

Though, the css currently has no randomized content, and the js is only minimally randomized.

I sometimes end up playing with the jpg urls, see if I can find something fun.

For example, https://poison.madhouse-project.org/@[email protected] looks like a landscape, if I squint hard enough!

By the way, every URL will render the same content (for that URL) until I change the initial random seed on the server side and restart the software. Adds a bit of flair to it, with the content changing every once in a while. :)

Query strings influence the randomness too! https://poison.madhouse-project.org/@[email protected]?q=100 for example is different than without the ?q=100. And as with the url, the query strings can be anything too.

(And these are extremely cheap to generate on the fly: apart from the QR codes, everything else is rendered faster than I can read a non-cached file from a btrfs filesystem on SSD.)

Ayush Agarwal (आयुष अग्रवाल)Oct 12

@algernon Thanks! I added this to my HAProxy configuration in a named defaults section for HTTP(S) services and it works

acl firefox-or-chrome hdr_sub(User-Agent) -i 'Chrome/'
acl firefox-or-chrome hdr_sub(User-Agent) -i 'Firefox/'
acl empty-sfm req.fhdr(Sec-Fetch-Mode) -m found
http-request silent-drop rst-ttl 60 if firefox-or-chrome !empty-sfm

I wonder if the following user agents are legit 🤔

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/70.0.3538.102 Safari/537.36 Edge/18.19582
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 14_6 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/14.0.3 Mobile/15E148 Safari/604.1

The client using these user agents has Sec-Fetch-Mode header values as well.

Democracy practicioner Oct 12

@ayushnix Edge/18 is... not likely to be a legit browser. As far as I can tell, the first Edge release was version 88 in 2020. So Edge/18 never existed.

In case of Edge, I'd have a look at the sec-ch-ua header, see if it contains "Chromium" and "Microsoft Edge". Though, the problem with sec-ch-ua is that the best way to use it is to see if it is parseable, and that's hard to do within a HAProxy config, I think.

Safari 14 (signified by the Version/ component) was released in 2020, along with iOS 14. That could be a legit browser, but iOS 14 has been EOL since 2021. My gut feeling is that even if it is a legit browser, it is unlikely to be human operated.

Ayush Agarwal (आयुष अग्रवाल)Oct 27

@algernon In a similar vein, does it make sense to reject clients containing Chrome/ in their user-agent but without Sec-CH-UA?

Democracy practicioner Oct 27

@ayushnix It does, yes, but: in my experience, the Chrome-pretenders that do not send Sec-CH-UA, do not send Sec-Fetch-Mode either, so they're already caught by that.

Those that do send Sec-Fetch-Mode, will also send Sec-CH-UA. However! I'm seeing a significant amount of Sec-CH-UA headers that are either incorrect (they're missing components that should be there based on the user agent), or don't even parse.

Also, if JavaScript is disabled, Chrome will not send the Sec-CH-UA header, but will send Sec-Fetch-Mode, so the latter is more reliable.

So the Sec-CH-UA check I'd recommend is not the verification that it contains Chromium when the user agent has a Chrome/ component, but simply that it can be parsed. In other words: if there's a Sec-CH-UA header, and it fails to parse, it's a bot. If there's a Sec-CH-UA header and it doesn't contain components that should be there based on the user agent, it's also very likely a bot. But the header being absent does not necessarily imply the agent is a pretender.

Ayush Agarwal (आयुष अग्रवाल)Oct 27

@algernon Got it, thanks a lot!

I was skeptical about self-hosting services on my residential broadband connection but ever since I started implementing basic measures like banning IP addresses, banning UAs in ai.robots.txt, and the Sec-Fetch-Mode measure, I'm seeing a lot of bot connections getting dropped in my router firewall and my HAProxy logs.

Looking forward to iocaine 3.0 release and the upcoming blog post you mentioned you'll write!