mccI like my Linux laptop that crashes once or twice a day. I like my Mastodon account where you can't really talk to anyone about anything but webdev or Rust. I like my Lenovo tablet that sometimes switches into Japanese for no reason. I like my Steam Deck that needs unique settings fiddling per game. I'm willing to put up with some friction & frustration from my computers & software. But what I can't ~abide~, and will twist my life into pretzels to avoid from my computers & software, is *malice*.
KielKontrovers Blog@mcc crashes once ot twice a day? do you press it so hard? mine crashes twice a year maybe.
@kielkontrovers o put it to sleep by closing the lid. Apparently Linux is very bad at S0ix sleep.
suzune@mcc @kielkontrovers Most likely the laptop has buggy ACPI code. If you knew how it is (not) tested, you'd understand. Sometimes firmware updates help.
@nakal @kielkontrovers I install every update and am running the newest version of Debian, and an update at one point fixed it and another update broke it again
@mcc @kielkontrovers I don't blame Linux for that. Mainboard vendors could easily test their ACPI on Linux, because it tries to conform to the documented standard.
The vendors don't do that. They prefer to test against Windows instead of the specification.
The ACPI interpreter in Linux is polluted with workarounds for broken ACPI code which laptops BIOSes contain.
@nakal @kielkontrovers the product was specifically billed on the website as supporting Ubuntu Linux. That is why I purchased it.
@mcc @kielkontrovers This should be the best case. Crashes are definitely not ok on Linux. I don't remember when I've seen a crash last time. I usually replace my hardware before it begins to crash.
@nakal @kielkontrovers the device is about two years old and has had the problem since receipt. Is it so hard to believe the Linux kernel has a bug?
@mcc @kielkontrovers It's rare, but it's possible. I just wanted to point you at probable reasons. ACPI errors are very common. There is a guy from the Matrix Debian channel who amazes me. He can point at the problem and knows how to place a workaround in the ACPI code. But if ACPI is fine, it's maybe a buggy driver.
@kielkontrovers @nakal I switched from Ubuntu to Debian a bit back and my user experience improved drastically, but the sleep/wake bug has not changed.
@kielkontrovers @nakal the Debian irc support recommended I try to figure out which kernels I've had over time and rewind my kernel to see if the bug goes away again. But that's a pretty alarming step and also it's hard to tell if the bug has gone away because it is stochastic. Not seeing it for three days does not mean it is gone.