Communism isn’t bad. Socialism isn’t bad. Capitalism isn’t bad. It’s what humans do with them that is bad. Don’t be a greedy dick and they would all work fine.

Don’t be a greedy dick

Sure thing… it’s not like capitalism is fundamentally designed to empower the pathologically greedy or anything, eh?

What do the pathologically greedy do in a socialist or communist system? They find a way to gain power except they have almost no competition.

They find a way to gain power

And where’s your proof?

All of history.

Which parts of history, exactly?

The parts where legitimate attempts at a socialist society has been attempted anywhere in the world…of which all failed for human dickish reasons.

legitimate attempts at a socialist society

And where would those be?

I will give you the opportunity to search for those instances yourself.

No - you will point out these (supposed) “legitimate attempts at a socialist society” you speak of.

No, you will search for them.

Ie, you’re talking out of your ass.

I could very well be. If only there was a way for you to do your own research on attempts at creating a true socialist society at the national level. Seems pretty important to the point of this thread and something you would not want to leave to a stranger who might talk out of his ass.

I could very well be.

No - it’s established. You don’t have a damn clue what you are talking about - and now you’re backpedalling.

Then I recommend the you do NOT search for attempts at creating a socialist society. You get to keep not knowing and I don’t have to do a 2 minute search for you. It’s a win-win.