Dave Chappelle Criticizes Free Speech in America at Saudi Arabia Comedy Festival

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Dave Chappelle Criticizes Free Speech in America at Saudi Arabia Comedy Festival - Lemmy.ca

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Makes it so easy to find the people who don't give a fuck about women when they suck the Saudi teats so openly
This was harsh. Extremely funny but also harsh
Not wrong though

Counterpoint: If America gave a fuck about women it

  • Wouldn’t have bought oil from a repressive regime that suppresses woman’s rights for decades

  • Elected a pedophile rapist who engaged in the trafficking of girls.

  • Unless you’re saying supporting either nation implies a lack of support for women. Which would certainly be a logical position.

    I am intimately familiar with the ongoing hatred for women among Americans. Supreme Court rulings, legislative action, and modern campaigns for a return to lives of drudgery and involuntary childbearing are not even trying to sugarcoat the fact that we are considered lesser beings, despite being necessary for population growth.
    Perhaps we can have a slightly more granular system than giving a fuck, yes/no, 1 or 0, black and white. May I suggest perhaps we count how many fucks a country has to give for women? On that scale, we would properly see that the US gives far, far more rucks about women than Saudi Arabia. I’ve been there. Do not casually equate the two.

    Yes we can have a granular system but then do we acknowledge:

  • Saudi Arabia has made more progress in the right direction (though dictator driven) while the US has elected a rapist, pedophile trafficker of girls who is keen on undoing progress on woman’s rights? One who was elected by a majority of voters which suggests that millions agree with his worldview.

  • That neither country respects women, even if one has developed more protections overall.

  • Whether your god is Capitalism or a religious deity, women are seen as having less value (monerarily or spiritually).

  • Please don’t oversimplify my efforts to bring nuance to this discussion. Making a simple Saudi Arabia is worse than the US statement without appropriate context opens the door to two inhumane outcomes that I cannot tolerate.

  • The dehumanization of people in Saudi Arabia for having perceivably less progressive values. We can disagree with people and their value system without forgetting their humanity. Unfortunately such arguments were used during the colonial era by Western powers to justify inumerable genocides.

  • The dismissal of the challenges faces by women in the US because women in other nations have it worse.

  • So while I firmly beleive both countries are in the category of ‘Needs Improvement’ I don’t want oversimplified arguments to be used as fuel for inhumane thoughts or actions.

    they wouldn’t have created the conditions for saudi arabia to be repressive in the first place.