Why do people need Rump to be fascist?
I have made multiple times the argument that Tramp is definitionally not fascist! And instead of a singular argument, I only received hurdles of insults and bans… Do people understand that despite no nazi things being good, bad things can be bad without being nazi? Edit: I understand the diff between nazism and fascism, I assume that others need Trump to be a nazi…
Fascism ≠ naziism. Trump is a fascist, wannabe dictator, who is slowly working his way from wanna be, to full on.
Fascism is: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
All things that trump is doing
Yea? How is he centralizing government? How is he regulating industries? How is the opposition being suppressing violently?
He is racist and his parties rhetoric does run on nationalism but that doesn’t make him fascist…
Being authoritarian does not make something fascist… Communist, Monarch and warlords lusted over absolute power; some of whom even got it yet they were no fascist
You think I am going to skip lessons to answer you?
By putting loyalists into government positions, including the Supreme Court, and using executive orders to subvert Congress and avoid checks and balances.
He is currently threatening many industries with legal action if they don’t appease him. The FCC threatened to revoke ABC’s license because Kimmel hurt Trump’s feelings, and the US government now owns part of Intel. He is turning ICE into his own personal brute squad, and suggested that the military use “liberal cities” for training.
It took Hitler 13 years to become HITLER. Trump isn’t there yet, but he’s walking the same path and you’re delusional if you think that path leads anywhere but fascism.
He took control of the purse from congress, he’s attempting to pass laws in the guise of executive orders, he’s shuttering departments and reallocating their resources to other parts of the executive branch, he’s been talking about creating an executive branch police type force… And that’s just the first question you had.
He’s regulating industries through tariffs (which are also a duty of congress and not the president so back to centralizing power for a two-fer)
He’s sending in the military to predominantly liberal/democratic run cities to back up ICE who is under orders from his goon Miller to harass anyone with a non white skin tone.
All easily seen examples if you paid any attention to media coverage, and extremely easy if you’re on the news subs on here…
Anyhow, now that that’s cleared up, kindly quit your bullshit.
-Huh… Okay I will grant you the first point but authorianism does not equal fascism
-Regulating industry through tariffs… Pray tell how is he doing that?
-Deporting people is fascistic? I thought we had it down that bad things, even crimes against humanity does not make a thing fascist
I bet you can’t actually define fascism without actually describing the trump admin without either going SUPER far out of your way, lying, or just giving a wrong definition.
Any accurate definition of fascism and the description of what this regime is doing is a venn diagram that’s mostly overlapped.
Argument I made before:
Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader (kinda one tick, he wants to be but isn’t), centralized autocracy (nope, he holds no absolute authority), militarism (no, he only wants to conquer and can’t even do that), forcible suppression of opposition (nope), belief in a natural social hierarchy (nupe), subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race (nope, only his interest), and strong regimentation of society and the economy (hahaha, no)
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Hahahahaha, thank you for proving my point.
Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader (kinda one tick, he wants to be but isn’t),
He’s controlling the party messaging and unlawfully making governmental changes, so you’re wrong
centralized autocracy (nope, he holds no absolute authority),
He’s actively working towards this, his party controls all branches to government and all branches are bending to his will, so again you’re pretty wrong
militarism (no, he only wants to conquer and can’t even do that),
He’s actively saber rattling and is doing military parades, so another check against you
forcible suppression of opposition (nope),
He deports people speaking out for Palestine
belief in a natural social hierarchy (nupe),
Fucking LOL
subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race (nope, only his interest),
Hes throwing people out of the country to get rid of undesirables to mAkE aMeRiCa GrEaT,
and strong regimentation of society and the economy (hahaha, no)
Do you even think about the points you’re making?
Social regimentation involves state control over a society’s values, norms, and individual liberties, which is something he’s actually doing.
So yeah, you can’t make the argument without describing the trump regime or lying, like I said before.
What’s your argument?
Btw you equate Nazi and Fascism. If you argue terms you have to explain why you can do that.
I get that was misunderstandable now, didn’t try equating nazis to fascist…
Argument I made before: Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader (kinda one tick, he wants to be but isn’t), centralized autocracy (nope, he holds no absolute authority), militarism (no, he only wants to conquer and can’t even do that), forcible suppression of opposition (nope), belief in a natural social hierarchy (nupe), subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race (nope, only his interest), and strong regimentation of society and the economy (hahaha, no)
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As others have written, defining fascism is like nailing pudding on a wall, there are many definitions. It’s not a hard proof if the system is not technically fulfilling the requirements.
The system is also just getting implemented so it cannot be judged in its final form.
The rest is in a grey area that becomes darker, which is what worries people.
Like… I am not arguing what he is doing is even acceptable, but that does not make him fascist…
Words mean things; call him a puss filled pustule on the ass of democracy but fascist means something else
So what are your arguments about him not being a faschist? All you wrote that he’s not but not why you think he isn’t.
Also Nazi =/= Faschist. All nazis are faschist, but not all faschist are nazi you using the term interchangeable does not spark confidence in your argumentation.
I have made multiple times the argument that Tramp is definitionally not fascist! And instead of a singular argument, I only received hurdles of insults and bans… Do people understand that despite no nazi things being good, bad things can be bad without being nazi? Edit: I understand the diff between nazism and fascism, I assume that others need Trump to be a nazi…
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The Nazis were not the first fascists. Italy was. There’s been many since. Being fascists doesn’t mean being a Nazi. Being a Nazi DOES mean you are a fascist. Not all hot tubs are Jacuzzi, but all Jacuzzis are hot tubs.
It’s been said (paraphrasing) “Trying to define a fascist is like trying to nail jelly to a wall”. This is because there are many distinct forms of fascism, but they do share some similarities.
As Jason Stanley said to define fascism at its core:
A cult of the leader who promises national restoration in the face of humiliation brought on by supposed communists, Marxists and minorities and immigrants who are supposedly posing a threat to the character and the history of a nation … The leader proposes that only he can solve it and all of his political opponents are enemies or traitors.
Sound familiar?
Let’s break down that definition:
I challenge you to prove otherwise.
This is why you were banned from politicalmemes.
Because there’s not one definitive definition, and proving without a doubt someone shares ideals is almost impossible, you want to point at a vague idea and say “see, there’s no way he’s fascist!”
Now, it’s time for me to be an adult and do my actual job. This is just volunteer work.
Jason Stanley
Who, one may note, fled from Yale to Toronto:
In an email, he writes that “the decision was entirely because of the political climate in the United States.” He had had an offer from Toronto, and decided to accept it last Friday night after Columbia’s capitulation to the Trump administration’s demands.
No wonder you didn’t want to make an argument and opted to ban me instead…
In which definition have you ever seen cult leader listed?
National restoration? When did the Fet of Spain, New Guard of Australia, Parti national social chrétien of Canada, National Socialist Movement of Chile… ever wanted that? And how is land claim restorations comparable in any way to living standard and supposed cultural norm restoration?
Your fourth of outsiders and political opposition being enemy was literally done by every single authoritarian yet…
Oh you realize on your own at the end that your examples of what some fascist countries did is not evocative of the political farce that is used to usurp power… Maybe din’t post next time?
Did you not see the source I cited?
Here, let me help:
As Jason Stanley said to define fascism at its core
Who is Jason Stanley?
Jason Stanley (born 1969) is the Bissell-Heyd Chair in American Studies in the Munk School of Global Affairs & Public Policy at the University of Toronto, and also has an appointment in the Department of Philosophy. In addition to his position at the Munk School, he is a Distinguished Professor at the Kyiv School of Economics. Before coming to the University of Toronto in 2025, he held positions as a Professor of Philosophy at Yale University (2013-2025), Rutgers University (2004-2013), The University of Michigan (2000-4), and Cornell University (1995-2000). He accepted the appointment at the University of Toronto in 2025, fleeing the U.S. because of what he describes as the deteriorating political situation.
I’m guessing his bona fides are better than yours.
Are…Are you new to the internet?
I gave you the exact quote. You DO realize that me posting a link wouldn’t be any different, right?
That’s because you can SEARCH the quote to get the source. I know, revolutionary idea.
You seem to have time to spare, but maybe searching is hard for you.
For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Cult of the leader who promises national restoration in the face of humiliation brought on by supposed communists, marxists and minorities and immigrants who are supposedly posing a threat to the character and the history of a nation … the leader proposes that only he can solve it and all of his political opponents are enemies or traitors' themselves.
Which one is yours?
-The dpr article from 2020 -the Facebook post explainkng an anti meme -the reddit post asking about technocracy
Is it the 2020 article 😭😭😭 My god, no wonder you refuse to share it… Once again, if you have no faith in your argument why are you posting it? Once again, why do you need Trump to be fascist?
I have made multiple times the argument that Tramp is definitionally not fascist!
I can argue the sky is purple repeatedly, I’m still fucking wrong.
Do people understand that despite no nazi things being good, bad things can be bad without being nazi?
Well, you can be a fascist without being a Nazi. But in this case, there are TONS of paralleled with early Nazi Germany, so your argument is still pretty wrong.
If you give your sources, explaining how you came to the understanding I think thats very reasonable way of stating any belief! But if people are gonna start calling you names thats not gonna lead you any closer to a correct answer
Yea, you know saying that “you are wrong” doesn’t really help here without the ‘why’ part
france24.com/…/20250307-what-parallels-do-histori…
Literally the first Google result. If I had time I could go find a better one, but it seems to hit most of the high points.
They aren’t the same, but you have to be blind to ignore the parallels.
Yea, you know saying that “you are wrong” doesn’t really help here without the ‘why’ part
I’ve been thru this song and dance with fascists and their supporters before, and there’s only so much energy I have to argue with people who choose not to see reality.
Like, do you not think musk was doing a Nazi salute? Is it just a coincidence that multiple people associated with the administration have done that shit? Was the odal rune at cpac a coincidence? Was all the Nazi messaging the last decade a coincidence? Did DHS just happen to lose 1448 kids? Was it a coincidence that trump sold tons of merch on his site for prices like $14.88 or $88.88 (I have a screenshot of the baseball somewhere)?
I cant make you understand something that you have no desire to understand.
Elon Musk appeared to make a Nazi salute as he celebrated the start of Donald Trump's second term as US president. Trump’s new administration has said it will acquire Greenland and Panama, defunded US foreign aid programmes, fired federal workers and humiliated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky in the Oval Office. Some historians draw parallels between the second Trump term and Hitler's regime. Eighty years after the end of the World War II, is the comparison relevant?
Yaay, 4 more iterations of him being authorian…
Yea, that make an argument for Elon to be fascist! Tho I kinda doubt he was any actual beliefs that extend over his ever growing wallet! Kinda think the same for Trumpo…
This comment section:
I’ve been using lemmy for 2 years, I know our demographic has been on the internet so long. You know better than this. Why do you guys take the obvious bait? He was doing the same shit in /c/politicalmemes
He actually posted this after I told him I wouldn’t be unbanning him.
I responded because we now have it here, plain as day, what Trump actually is.
Yeah, I know they are rage baiting.
Very sad you were afraid from this…
Only shows your faith in your own argument!
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