@bhhaskin @don_atoms @marcprux @[email protected] Such as?

Part of the issue is that suggesting ppl "stop using Android" is like suggesting they stop using a car:

For some people it's doable with only a moderate amount of difficulty, when their circumstances happen to align with the available alternatives.

For many other people it's fundamentally impossible, as the demands of their circumstances have no alternatives.

Imo it's disingenuous to suggest that boycotting Android would be any different.

@leeloo @GoodNewsGreyShoes @bhhaskin @don_atoms @marcprux
Yes, the switch from Android to /e/OS is a bit long, but you only need to do this once, the step-by-step guide is excellent and things go exactly as it says. If you once have 1-2 hours, you can do it and it will work. The bootloader is locked at the end, so the device isn't "rooted".

/e/OS can install from the main Android app store, without identifying you to Google. Your bank stuff will work.

@szakib @GoodNewsGreyShoes @bhhaskin @don_atoms @marcprux
It is not a realistic option for anyone but nerds who like to tinker with their phone OS.

For me, the first major problem is that the guide says to make sure you have a backup. I haven't found anything that can create a backup of all the settings I have changed over time. And the way Android sandboxes apps, such a backup app should be pretty much impossible to make.

Also, how does e/OS fake the device attestation signatures? I'm sure they don't have the private keys.

@leeloo @GoodNewsGreyShoes @bhhaskin @don_atoms @marcprux

"It is not a realistic option for anyone but nerds who like to tinker with their phone OS." This is not true. You can walk into a shop and buy a phone with /e/OS on it. For converting the phone, only one nerd needs to tinker, only once for an hour. This does not need to be the owner.

Backups: save whatever you think you need for each app?

https://doc.e.foundation/support-topics/micro-g

@szakib @GoodNewsGreyShoes @bhhaskin @don_atoms @marcprux
Walk into a store? Where? I am not in the US.

Backing up each app, one at a time - that's already more than two hours, and while a few of the apps I use do have export features, most of them don't. And that excludes the Android settings.

Transferring everything to a new phone was a multi-day project, and that was with the old and new phones next to each other. Can't do that when replacing the OS.

Installing Slackware in 1996 was orders of magnitude easier, and Linux desktop domination didn't happen back then.