MAGA broke Grindr... Again...

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/53875481

You don’t understand, they aren’t gay, they are just men having sex with other men!
They’re just making sure they AREN’T gay by having sex with other men.
“I was only in there to get directions on how to get away from there!”

“How do you know you don’t like fucking men? Have you tried it? I know I’m super duper straight because I fuck a guy every week just to make sure I still don’t like it.”

Watching them process that is wild.

In the wisdom of the ancient Greeks, you're only gay if you're a bottom
So if you’re a switch you’re fine? (That’s the term for someone who switches between top and bottom right?)
Technically it’s dom and sub, but colloquially it’s kinda both, yeah. Pretty sure they’d consider a switch a bottom tho, like a top is a never-bottom
That would be vers or versatile.

Love that the two of you answered this at the same exact minute

What’s a switch then, or am i just hallucinating new terms here?

Switch is going between Dom and sub. Like being Dom top to sub top or sub bottom to Dom bottom.

Typically a Dom bottom is called a power bottom and a Dom top could call himself a Dom top or power top.

Vers is someone who both tops and bottoms.

Love that the two of you answered this at the same exact minute

What’s a switch then, or am i just hallucinating new terms here?

Like degen said, switch is if you do both dom and sub.
If you do both everything cancels out and youre asexual.

In addition to the other informative answers, the “serious” reply to the first question would be “no, not really”. I’ll summon up a “Tales of Time Forgotten” blog post on the matter, as best as I understand it, with the recommendation to read the original if you can.

The difficulty with understanding Ancient Greek sexuality from our modern perspective is that they didn’t strictly think in two genders so much as a scale of masculinity, or something close to it. Accordingly, sexuality wasn’t thought of in terms of hetero- or homo-, but as an act of the less masculine party receiving the more masculine one. The expectation then was that your role and choice of partners would evolve throughout our life and progress along the expected social hierarchy.

An adolescent boy in his mid-to-late-teens (~14-18) was expected to be courted by young men (in their twenties) and eventually choose a lover (although suitors did have to work for it and being “easy” was shameful).

It’s worth noting that there was a distinction between (adolescent) boys/girls and children, which were off limits. Obviously, adolescents are still vulnerable and the whole thing is still messed up by most modern western standards. “Not quite as bad” is still bad.

Eventually, they’d reach adulthood and thus become (young) men themselves and were expected to strive and even compete for the affections of boys.

In their late twenties to early thirties, men were expected to proceed to mature adulthood, losing interest in boys and seeking a girl to marry instead (with much of the same expectations as before, though arrangement of marriages typically gave girls much less choice).

Any significant deviation from that expected course would, of course, be considered shameful. There might have been some leeway on the age brackets, but the “direction” of the age dynamic was quite firm, and men seeking out or receiving other men was seen as unnatural and effeminate.

Female sexuality is much less well-attested, just as women in general are less “visible” in most sources, and somewhat contradictory. On one hand, Sappho of Lesbos achieved quite a reputation, but she was writing ~500 BCE. On the other, some sources written in the first and second century CE strongly condemn it. One woman is criticised for loving boys, which would fit with the expectation that both women and boys were to “receive” men.

This might have been a shift over time, but the scarcity of evidence makes it hard to pin it to that cause alone.

On the whole, it’s pretty clear that a male vers would not have been “fine” by any standard. Men were to be tops, boys to be bottoms and mature adults were to be interested in girls and women alone.

Just How Gay Were the Ancient Greeks Really? - Tales of Times Forgotten

The ancient Greeks have a longstanding reputation in modern culture for their alleged tolerance of homosexuality—a reputation that has been so thoroughly ingrained that a common euphemism for the word homosexuality itself is “Greek love.” Additionally, the modern English word lesbian, referring to a female homosexual, comes directly from the name of a Greek island … Continue reading "Just How Gay Were the Ancient Greeks Really?"

Tales of Times Forgotten
I’d argue they had it backwards, bottoming isn’t gay, it’s just having a fun experience. Penetrating another man is super gay though.
And only if you’re older than your top. Otherwise, you’re simply receiving some masculinity.

Your problem, Henry, is that you are hung up on words, on labels: “gay”, “homosexual”, “lesbian.” You think they tell you who a person sleeps with, but they don’t tell you that. Like all labels, they refer to one thing and one thing only: Where does a person so identified fit in the food chain? In the pecking order. Not ideology or sexual taste, but something much simpler: clout. Who owes me favors. Not who I fuck or who fucks me, but who will pick up the phone when I call. To someone who doesn’t understand this, homosexual is what I am because I sleep with men, but this is wrong. Homosexuals are not men who sleep with other men. Homosexuals are men who, in 15 years of trying, can’t get a pissant anti-discrimination bill through City Council. They are men who know nobody, and who nobody knows. Now, Henry, does that sound like me?

“Henry, the only label I need is Sexual Libertarian. An omnivore of genitals and hearts. Come as you are… All over the place. And so will I. Does that sound enticing, Henry?”
Wtf is this from, it sounds like a fandom I need to join immediately
Roy Cohn en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Angels_in_America and there’s more context to the quotes, generally the context is realpolitik, power for power’s sake. A real asshole you wouldn’t want to play Diplomacy with. Someone with no ethics but winning. The subject of a run the jewels song. Family Donnie T’s never admit you lost coach. The message is alluring if taken at face value, and seems like wisdom, but if you get taken advantage of was it really you who was weak?
Angels in America - Wikiquote

Oh I thought it might have been like a TV show or something
Angels in America is a play and was made into some made for TV movies, yes. I don’t think Roy Cohn the man ever said that, although he was gay and it matched his attitudes.
I had no idea - my add-on comment was just what came to mind as would fit in well. Not shocked to learn it’s about Roy Cohn, though, the “I’m gay, but I exist in a plane of wealthy predator above normies that worry about their sexuality as a label because I’m allowed to participate in society however I want” vibe was strong. I figured it was Peter Thiel, so not far off.
Ain’t nuffin gay about gettin yer dick sucked! Thems the ones thatter gay for suckin em!
Its not gay if its a girl’s dick.
They are imposing their dominance on weaker men. It’s not gay, it’s purely about dominance
They’re always complaining about the MSM too!
Doesn’t make them Gay necessarily, but it does make them at least Bi.
Thank you for acknowledging bi people exist. No sarcasm lol
They just like to suck other non-gay men’s cocks.
They’re called “brojobs” for a reason.

Don’t worry, I brought protection to keep it from being gay.

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A Republican manufacturer running for governor in Wisconsin as a conservative supporter of “family values” and President Donald Trump followed numerous sexually explicit accounts online, including a nonbinary pornography performer.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Monday that Bill Berrien, the CEO of Pindel Global Precision and one of two announced 2026 Republican candidates for governor, unfollowed several accounts in recent days after the newspaper asked about the matter.

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Wisconsin governor candidate Berrien followed sexually explicit accounts

A Republican manufacturer running for governor in Wisconsin as a conservative supporter of “family values” and President Donald Trump followed numerous sexually explicit accounts online, including a nonbinary pornography performer. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Monday that Bill Berrien unfollowed several of the writers in recent days after the newspaper asked about them. Berrien is one of two announced 2026 Republican candidates for governor. He downplayed any concerns about his online activity, calling it “some stupid articles I read years ago.” In a post on X, he derided the story as “garbage political hits.”

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Are these correlations actually indicative of mass closeted homosexuality in the maga Christian sect? It’s fun to believe that’s what it is but I have met a LOT of maga/far right homophobe types and it seems like a stretch to believe that a significant number of these people are secretly gay.
Lots of homophobes are closeted, self-loathing gays.
I mean sure, sometimes I feel like that narrative is blown out of proportion. But maybe I’m wrong. It’s more fun to think that’s how it is though, for sure.
And yet, so often, the loudest anti-LGBTQ voices turn out to be gay, and the loudest protect the children voices turn out to be kiddie diddlers or CSAM producers or hoarders. Often, where there is smoke there is fire and Republicans do a lot of smoking.

If you are confident with your sexuality, why would it bother you what others do? It is not like it can switch who you are attracted to.

The only exception I see are the people who got convinced that gays can influence that their kids will be gays. That’s a bit harder to convince it is a bullshit.

convinced that gays can influence that their kids will be gays

if that’s how it works, then just influence your kid to be straight again, problem solved.

You don’t understand: teh gays are just cooler than straight people, so the kids are powerless against their ‘rizz,’ and boring straights can’t hope to compete.
This is especially crazy thinking in places where being gay is hell (in some especially bad ones even punishable by death). If it was a choice, why would someone willingly choose that, when being straight is so much easier.
Because they want to hold political office.
That’s so funny, I’ve never heard it put like that but that’s exactly what a lot of them think.
That IS how some people think it works, which is why conversion therapy gets pushed. I appreciate that you were joking but it would be lost on anyone you're actually talking about.
Yeah, your logic follows. Maybe I’m wrong.

Think about how often a preacher is caught with a guy, that preacher is usually one of the more hateful ones.

(I’m not referring to Catholics here, they’ve to get their house in order and stop protecting monsters. )

Every time my mom is transphobic, she says something that makes you think 🥚. Last time was talking about how bad female fat distribution is and how she’d like to take T.
Female fat distribution is much healthier than male fat distribution. There are a few reasons why women live longer on average, and this is one of them.
I wouldn’t care if its less healthy. I don’t that matters enough to even factor into the question.
That’s all fine. It was a random fact, I didn’t mean much by it.
How else can you explain the phenomenon in the headline? It’s genuinely not the first time a large GOP event crashed grindr.

Self-loathing bisexuals.

“If I can choose not to be gay, so can you.”

Yes, yes they are. Through a friend I know a few trans and gay sex workers, and they make a killing every year at the RNC.
Interesting. I have no context for that, but that doesn’t mean you’re wrong or that I don’t think your claim is credible by any means. It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong and the closeted gay Republican is as large and ridiculous of an issue as it appears to be.
It’s a story that pops up every time the RNC gathers. Here’s one from 2016, and another from 2024. It’s definitely not just some unsubstantiated rumor.
Male Escorts Are Making a Killing Off Closeted Gay Republicans at the RNC

Sex workers in Cleveland are seeing an influx of new clients, according to the New York Post.

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