Danish Minister of Justice and chief architect of the current Chat Control proposal, Peter Hummelgaard:

"We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services."

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Source: https://www.ft.dk/samling/20231/almdel/REU/spm/1426/index.htm

@chatcontrol We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is technically feasible to outlaw encryption.
@ondra @chatcontrol That is my first question in chat control topic. How on earth would they enforce it ? 🤔
@ati1 @ondra @chatcontrol they can't. They would have to basically outlaw non-approved apps to be installed or used on any computer in Europe. Cory Doctorow has talked about this multiple times; authoritarians and Capitalists would love to put the Turing machine back into the proverbial bottle … but it doesn't work like that. You cannot exclude a Turing machine from doing "a specific thing". You cannot subtract features from a Turing machine, because it has only one feature: turing-completedness

@qbe @ati1 @ondra @chatcontrol

if you look at the age verification app proposal from the EU, they are pretty much enforcing it in a way that you can only use the EU age verification apps if your phone passes Android integrity tests, which Google is changing in the next version to require developer verification for sideloading apps to your phone (i.e., only verified developers can create an app that can be sideloaded)

@xinayder @qbe @ondra @chatcontrol So you're basically saying EU would force everybody to use either Google Android or iOS? No web browser access? Laptops/desktops? Like you have to verify you login credentials / age once? Say on a desktop? Or each and every time on any platform? Well that would be pretty stupid of EU. But luckily I think you may just be projecting your worst fears, worst case scenario that won't materialise. So heads up ✌️

@ati1 @xinayder @ondra @chatcontrol I am not projecting my worst Fears, I am just pointing out that ANY implementation of this bullshit will either

* be so ineffective that moderately smart criminals can subvert it relatively easily

OR

* be so disruptive that it will require the police randomly coming to your house to have a look at your computer, or general computing being taken away from users, etc., which would destroy large parts of the IT industry.

There is no way around this. Its math.

@qbe @xinayder @ondra @chatcontrol I was refering to your toot where you wrote that EU os gonna make age verification app that only works with Google Play Services / integrity tests and you would not be able to log into web services without that.