octopus_inkNot that hypocrisy carries any weight on the right, but for those who *are* keeping score.
Wasn’t he a Mormon? Didn’t he already find Jesus Christ? It didn’t seem to make a difference at all…
Mormons aren’t Christians, at least according to those Christians who hate Mormons. They might believe in Jesus Christ but they didn’t find him. This might seem like a distinction without a difference but only because it is.
They found him at a 7/11 in Missouri, and then they get their own planet when they die. They’re like the Scientologists of Christianity. Which I think was L Ron Hubbard’s point.
There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not. That’s just not how such identity markers work.
Yes there absolutely are. If you don’t believe that Christ’s death on the cross redeemed the world of sin you are not Christian as that is the defining belief. There’s literally no point in the faith if you don’t accept this. By this standard LDS are Christians.
I gave a post earlier describing why you can assert that LDS is a different branch of Abrahamic faiths which I will repost below. This is of course ignoring that it is entirely acceptable to view LDS as a fraudulent creation by Joseph Smith.
“Ypu are mistaken as to how that argument goes.
The idea is that Christianity is a separate faith from Judaism because they have an entirely different set of texts and a different view of the relationship with God and what is expected of the faithful.
Islam is a separate faith of Christianity and Judaism as it too has additional texts and a different perspective on God than what Judaism and Christianity has (which again differ themselves).
Thus LDS is a different faith because it has a wholly new set of texts, it has a radically different view of the relationship with God than every other Abrahamic faith, and we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything. That’s a critical difference and suggests it should be seen as something else following the same standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.”
Null User ObjectTo summarize, the person you responded to stated
There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not.
To which you responded,
Yes there absolutely are.
Followed by a wall of text that presented absolutely zero authority figures authorized to decide who is, and isn’t, christian.
All you gave is YOUR criteria, but there’s no reason anybody needs to follow your criteria. You’re also not authorized to decide. That’s the point.
First I reject the assertion that no one can make that determination so your “No True Scotsman” is not applicable
To be clearer there is one standard that all Christians agree to which is the redemption of Christ. If you don’t think Christ died to redeem sin there’s literally no point in the religion.
The rest of my post explains why those that think LDS aren’t Christian and what their claims are.
pelespiritWasn’t Paul the only one that said that? Plus, it wasn’t a new religion at the time. They all considered themselves Jewish at least until 70 ad.
None of the apostles said this directly. It’s literally the central dogmatic point everyone shares post schism. If Christ’s death isn’t redemptive there’s no point to the faith at all.
Again, not a new religion. They were a sect of Judaism.
It’s what makes them a new faith.
It’s what makes them a new faith.
What’s “It’s”?
The notion that Christ was God’s son whose death redeems the world of sin? The entirely different relationship with God that Christians have that derives from that concept. It’s why Christians are not a sect of Judaism.
Again, then why did they call themselves Jews until at least 70AD? I guarantee that every single apostle called themselves a Jew until they died. I think your brain isn’t wanting to hear this and blocking what I’m saying. It doesn’t change your religion other than making it more Jewish, why would that be bad?
Yes, 2000 years ago the ethnic Jews that were Christians considered themselves to be Jews. That ceased to be the case within a few years as Paul’s ideas are adopted and the people joining aren’t Jewish and do not follow Jewish laws and traditions.
It’s a new faith because they frame it as such. If you were Christian and called yourself a Jewish person you would get weird looks.
It was a sect of Judaism at one point but that was thousands of years ago.
Yes, 2000 years ago the ethnic Jews that were Christians considered themselves to be Jews. That ceased to be the case within a few years as Paul’s ideas are adopted and the people joining aren’t Jewish and do not follow Jewish laws and traditions.
70 years is a few generations. Just saying. I’m not saying Christians are Jewish now, the Catholics changed all of that. I’m saying it was originally a Jewish sect. I think you’re agreeing anyway, have a great day.
originally yes they were but by the time Paul’s writing becomes cannon it no longer is. That’s the 80s?