ByteOnBikesLeave us out of it rule
Has there been evidence he’s Christian and conservative/republican? I know his family is, but that’s not really enough.
I’m not attacking the point being made, I just haven’t seen any evidence yet.
Snot FlickermanNot Christian, Mormon which is actually quite the distinction here.
And just because he was raised Mormon does not mean he still follows the faith of his parents.
Evidence he was strictly conservative is slim. There is good commentary about this over on (slight retch) reddit in /r/exmormon including the violent aspects of Mormon scripture and how many Mormons hate both Democrats and Republicans.
Mormons are Christians though. Just because some other Christians don’t want them in their club doesn’t make their flavor of Jesus worship less valid.
That’s like saying “Christians are actually Jewish though. Just because some other Jews don’t want them in their club doesn’t make their flavor of worship less valid.”
They literally have their own holy books that don’t exist for other flavors of Christianity, just as Christianity has their own holy books that don’t exist for Judaism.
renzhexiangjiaoChristians believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died on the cross and was resurrected three days later. Do Mormons not believe this?
The Old Testament is literally the Jewish Tanakh re-arranged and plus or minus some books (depending on translation/edition). Only the New Testament is fully strictly Christian
Do Christians believe that Indigenous Americans are the “Lost Children of Israel” who came to the Americas over the land bridge in Alaska and that Jesus appeared to them here in the Americas?
Because Mormons believe that, and they have an entire holy book dedicated to ideas like that beyond the New Testament just as the New Testament is beyond the Tanakh.
I honestly think Christians and Mormons would take offense to this characterization with how different their belief systems truly are while being rooted in the same ideas. Just as Jewish and Christians would take offense to being compared in the same way.
I mean, I hate fucking religion too, dawg, but this ain’t it.
Nah, Mormons absolutely consider themselves Christian. They use the term in meetings and I'm sure that I've seen it in their marketing material as well. They just you know, retconned Christianity to say that they were the true Christians the whole time. And tbf, that's true for all the Christian sects, the only difference really is scale.
Source: exmo
Not to belabor a point, but even if they consider themselves Christian, there’s a big difference between having different interpretations of the same book and having a whole ass other previously non-existent book that becomes part of the religious canon. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of any sects of Protestant Christianity that have a whole ass other book. They have wildly different interpretations of the same book, but that is fundamentally different than having a new prophet and gospel.
I get your point here, but just because they’re unique doesn’t disqualify them from their claim to Christianity. It’s kinda like saying a tank isn’t a motor-vehicle because it has a cannon.
sp3ctr4lMormons also believe that what most Christians concieve of as God, is actually more of just the local demigod of this Solar System, not the entire universe, who comes from a line of other demigods before him, not being the uh, uncreated creator that existed prior to the universe itself, and has domain over all of it.
Reminds me of Dragon Ball Z.
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Further, should you be a good and proper enough Mormon, you get to go to the super duper highest level of the top 1/3rd of Mormon afterlife outcomes, whereby you too can become a local demigod of your own solar system!
… If you are a man.
You have to be a married man to pull this off, get the secret Temple names with the underwear and all that, donate a LOT to the Church… but wifey… nah she does not get a shot at becoming a demigod, she’s just a demigod’s wife.
Basically no other Christians believe that any man can become godlike.
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Mormons also don’t believe in the Trinity.
Their idea of Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit is more or less that they are all seperate and distinct entities, not triune paradox of simultaneous distinction and indistinction.
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Beyond the more … historical fan fiction type additions to the existing lore, fucking with those three core tenets is sufficient for most American Christians to deem Mormons as sacreligious heretics.
So do Muslims. Jesus is to the Quran and the Book of Mormon what Moses is to the New Testament. A recognized prophet, but not the prophet because god apparently felt the need to send a new one down to earth to clarify a few things.
I don’t personally give a shit as I’m not even remotely religious, but the only reason Mormons pretend to be a Christian sect is because it’s politically convenient to them as a US religious minority to “blend in” better. The more you learn about their beliefs, the more you realize they might be further apart from Christianity than Christianity is from Judaism.
No, Muslims believe that Jesus was a human prophet who was deified by people who strayed from his true teachings. Jesus was not the son of God, and there is no holy trinity. He didn’t die on the cross for our sins because God took him up into heaven. Mormons, however, do believe in these key aspects relating to the divine nature of Jesus and his role as savior in their religion.
They do, but they also believe that Jesus and Satan were brothers.
There are some pretty dramatic departures from what most people would consider fundamental Christian doctrine, like the belief that there are three levels of heaven, and if you get to the best level of heaven you can become a god of your own planet. Then you and your harem of wives can pump out spirit babies to populate your planet for time and all eternity.
The only way to get to the best level of heaven is to participate in a series of secretive temple ceremonies. Members are kept completely in the dark until they arrive at the temple and suddenly they’re learning secret handshakes, being given secret names and vowing to slit their own throats and disembowel themselves should they ever reveal the secrets of the temple.
I think Joseph Smith would’ve had a much longer life if he’d just been a fiction writer and left it at that.
Some of you’re saying can just as easily be applied to Catholicism. They can’t be Christian because they also worship Mary and think she’s just as much a path to salvation as Jesus. They have special rules about who can get into heaven and how, and they’ve got limbo, etc.
What you’re saying about Mormonism being a cult is true, but being a cult doesn’t exclude them from being Christian.
Members are kept completely in the dark until they arrive at the temple and suddenly they're learning secret handshakes, being given secret names and vowing to slit their own throats and disembowel themselves should they ever reveal the secrets of the temple.
Basically Freemasonry.