SatansMaggotyCumFartSep 9, 2025

Are fossil fuels vegan?

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Are fossil fuels vegan?

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Show threadSpacenutSep 10, 2025

Yes. No animal was intentionally harmed or killed to be turned into oil. This puts it in the same category as foraged deer antlers or cicada wings, or I guess compost where you found a squirrel carcass and added it to the pile.

You could argue that animals are harmed by the process of extracting and burning fossil fuels, and thus it’s not vegan. But this isn’t very convincing to me, since that’s a secondary effect and not necessary to the process of consuming fossil fuels. (Or at least not necessary in the same way that killing chickens is necessary in order to make chicken sandwiches, for example.) And if you start worrying about a big web of consequences of your actions, then it seems like you’re mostly just adding stress to your life without actually making the world a better place.

Show threadradiouserSep 10, 2025
Bees aren’t intentionally harmed or killed to make honey but it isn’t vegan.
Show threadSiruSep 10, 2025

This isn’t entirely true. Sometimes queen bees have their wings cur off to insure they stay in the beehive, and thus make the beehive produce honey. Also, the queens can then often be discarded/killed at the end of the season. So no harm being done in the production of honey is not always the case.

I feel like there should be an option to certify honey as being vegan if no harm is done to the bees in the process though.

Show threadradiouser
Honey isn’t vegan because it is an animal product, and veganism seeks to avoid animal exploitation and cruelty. I think any form of taking honey from bees would be considered exploitive but that’s just my view/opinion.
Sep 10, 2025 at 8:53amWeb
Show threadT156Sep 10, 2025

There’s a fair bit of nuance around the topic of whether honey should be vegan or not, since honeybees also overproduce, and that is its own problem. Like with sheep’s wool.

Although crude oil has the additional complication where it’s an incidental post-death product, like fertiliser, and from that viewpoint, it would be about as ethical.