RmDebArc_5Same logic
It should be noted, that trans women don't appear to have a competitive advantage over cis women Source
bluecat_OwOI am not literate enough to understand what the study is saying so I am ready for all ELI5 but I am a 20 year old Cis guy, 183cm and 85kgs. Say I start taking estrogen for 5 years. I will still retain my height and weight, maybe the muscle density would decrease but my bone density wouldn’t? isn’t there a bone and muscle density difference between male and female, and I have heard athletes say that sometimes strength boils down to the ligaments and tendons rather than muscles. I’d still say I’d be stronger than 90%+ of women when now I am sure I am stronger than 95%+, without any extreme fitness training.
Once again I am only asking because I don’t know and I am not transphobe or someone with rigid opinions
CatoblepasI will still retain my height and weight
Why do you assume that both of those things are true? Trans people taking estrogen don’t typically shrink drastically, but a small amount of height loss (less than 1”) isn’t unheard of, along with a slight decrease in shoe size. The age you start and your own genetics also play a role, of course.
For weight, it’s pretty uncontroversial that for people taking estrogen, you will lose some muscle mass and have to work harder to build/maintain more.
This also assumes that your bone density is identical to a pre-HRT trans woman’s bone density, when actually trans women tend to have lower bone density than cis men prior to HRT.
TL;DR: hormones and personal/medical history play a much larger role in sexual characteristic expression than whether you have XX or XY genes.
Bone Health in the Transgender Population
It is well known that sex steroids, particularly estrogen, play a crucial role in the attainment and maintenance of peak bone density in all people. Transgender (trans) women have been frequently observed to have low bone density prior to initiation ...
okay I understand hormones can affect bone and muscle densities but the problem still persists, if I enter in a ring with 2 months of estrogen against a cis woman, it’s not going to be fair in any ways. Thus I question what would be the objective parameter for declaring a person eligible for the said gender. If it’s not clear than the easiest thing would be to start a new category
MountingSuspicionThis is the conclusion section in its entirety (this section is not that technical, but my commentary is afterwards):
CONCLUSIONS This research compares transgender male and transgender female athletes to their cisgender counterparts. Compared with cisgender women, transgender women have decreased lung function, increasing their work in breathing. Regardless of fat-free mass distribution, transgender women performed worse on the countermovement jump than cisgender women and CM. Although transgender women have comparable absolute V̇ O2max values to cisgender women, when normalised for body weight, transgender women’s cardiovascular fitness is lower than CM and women. Therefore, this research shows the potential complexity of transgender athlete physiology and its effects on the laboratory measures of physical performance. A long- term longitudinal study is needed to confirm whether these findings are directly related to gender- affirming hormone therapy owing to the study’s shortcomings, particularly its cross- sectional design and limited sample size, which make confirming the causal effect of gender- affirmative care on sports performance problematic.
I was in the sciences, though not anywhere near sports medicine, but the study seems sound. I have to mention that I have no idea how important cardiovascular fitness is for any individual sport, but that really doesn’t matter.
Before being trans became politicized, individual sports organizations had been making their own rules just fine. This does not need to be controversial or decided by a bunch of people who have no idea how it affects the sports. A national law makes no sense in this context. They are difficult to change and do not have the flexibility needed to account for variations or updates in sports. Pool (as in billiards) is a sport. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be, but I don’t think people recognize how much the word “sport” encompasses. If individual sports organizations start enacting transphobic restrictions, that’s a problem, but there have been plenty of sports with tests in place and they have not, to my knowledge, been considered transphobic so long as they protected the integrity of the sport and treated all athletes, cis and trans, with respect.
I’m generally happy to defer decisions to the people affected by them, and in this case that’s the athletes who I imagine are better able to influence their athletic organization than the entire government.