Putin blames West for 2014 'coup' in Kiev as 'root cause' of Ukraine crisis

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People's Democratic Republic of Yemen - New General Megathread for the 12th to 13th of january 2024 - Lemmy

The People’s Democratic Republic of Yemen was a socialist country that existed from 1967 to 1990 as a state in the Middle East in the southern and eastern provinces of the present-day Republic of Yemen, including the island of Socotra. British rule In 1838, Sultan Muhsin Bin Fadl of the state of Lahej ceded 194 km2 (75 sq. miles) including Aden to the British. On 19 January 1839, the British East India Company landed Royal Marines at Aden to occupy the territory and stop attacks by pirates against British shipping to India. It then became an important trading hub between British India and the Red Sea, and following the opening of the Suez canal in 1869, it became a coaling station for ships en route to India. Aden was ruled as part of British India until 1937, when the city of Aden became the Colony of Aden. The Aden hinterland and Hadhramaut to the east formed the remainder of what would become South Yemen and was not administered directly by Aden but were tied to Britain by treaties of protection with local rulers of traditional polities that, together, became known as the Aden Protectorate. Economic development was largely centered in Aden, and while the city flourished, the states of the Aden Protectorate stagnated. Decolonization In 1963, Aden and much of the Protectorate were joined to form the Federation of South Arabia with the remaining states that declined to join, mainly in Hadhramaut, forming the separate Protectorate of South Arabia. Both of these polities were still tied to Britain with promises of total independence in 1968. Two nationalist groups, the Front for the Liberation of Occupied South Yemen (FLOSY) and the National Liberation Front (NLF), began an armed struggle known as the Aden Emergency on 14 October 1963 against British control and, with the temporary closure of the Suez Canal in 1967, the British began to withdraw. One faction, NLF, was invited to the Geneva Talks to sign the independence agreement with the British. However, Britain - who during its occupation of Aden signed several treaties of protection with the local sheikhdoms and emirates of the Federation of South Arabia - excluded them in the talks and thus the agreement stated “…the handover of the territory of South Arabia to the (Yemeni) NLF…”. Southern Yemen became independent as the People’s Republic of Southern Yemen on 30 November 1967, and the National Liberation Front consolidated its control in the country. In June 1969 a Marxist wing of the NLF gained power in an event known as the Corrective Move. This wing reorganized the country into the People’s Democratic Republic of Yemen (PDRY) on 30 November 1970. Subsequently, all political parties were amalgamated into the National Liberation Front, renamed the Yemeni Socialist Party. The People’s Democratic Republic of Yemen established close ties with the Soviet Union, the People’s Republic of China, Cuba, and the Palestinian Liberation Organization. East Germany’s constitution of 1968 even served as a kind of blueprint for the PDRY’s first constitution. The new government embarked on a programme of nationalisation, introduced central planning, put limits on housing ownership and rent, and implemented land reforms. By 1973, the GDP of South Yemen increased by 25 percent. And despite the conservative environment and resistance, women became legally equal to men, polygamy, child marriage and arranged marriage were all banned by law. Equal rights in divorce were also sanctioned. The Republic also secularized education and sharia law was replaced by a state legal code. The major communist powers assisted in the building of the PDRY’s armed forces. Strong support from Moscow resulted in Soviet naval forces gaining access to naval facilities in South Yemen. Daily Life in South Yemen South Yemen’s ethnic groups were ethnic Yemeni Arabs (92.8%), Somalis (3.7%), Afro-Arab 1.1%, Indians and Pakistanis (1%), and other (1.4%) (2000). The only recognised political party in South Yemen was the Yemeni Socialist Party, which ran the country and the economy along self-described Marxist lines, modeled on the Soviet Union. Women’s rights under the socialist government were considered the best in the region. Women became legally equal to men and were encouraged to work in public; polygamy, child marriage, and arranged marriage were all banned; and equal rights in divorce received legal sanction. The Supreme People’s Council was appointed by the General Command of the National Liberation Front in 1971. In Aden, there was a structured judicial system with a Supreme Court. Education was paid for through general taxation. Income equality improved, corruption was reduced, and health and educational services expanded. There was no housing crisis in South Yemen. Surplus housing meant that there were few homeless people in Aden, and people built their own houses out of adobe and mud in the rural areas. There was little industrial output, or mineral wealth exploitation, in South Yemen, until the mid-1980s, following the discovery of significant petroleum reserves in the central regions near Shibam and Mukalla. The main sources of income were agriculture, mostly fruit, cereal crops, cattle and sheep, fishing and later, oil exports. South Yemen developed as a Marxist, mostly secular society ruled first by the National Liberation Front, which later morphed into the ruling Yemeni Socialist Party. The only avowedly Marxist nation in the Middle East, South Yemen received significant foreign aid and other assistance from the USSR and East Germany, which stationed several hundred officers of the Stasi in the country to train the nation’s secret police and establish another arms trafficking route to Palestine. The East Germans did not leave until 1990, when the Yemeni government declined to pay their salaries which had been terminated with the dissolution of the Stasi during German reunification. Disputes with North Yemen Unlike the early decades of East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea, or North Vietnam and South Vietnam, the Yemen Arab Republic (North Yemen) and South Yemen (PDRY) remained relatively friendly, though relations were often strained. Fighting broke out in 1972, and a short-lived, small proxy border conflict was resolved with negotiations, where it was declared unification would eventually occur. However, these plans were put on hold in 1979, as the PDRY funded Red rebels in the YAR, and war was only prevented by an Arab League intervention. The goal of unity was reaffirmed by the northern and southern heads of state during a summit meeting in Kuwait in March 1979. In 1980, PDRY president Abdul Fattah Ismail resigned and went into exile in Moscow, having lost the confidence of his sponsors in the USSR. His successor, Ali Nasir Muhammad, took a less interventionist stance toward both North Yemen and neighbouring Oman. Civil War On January 13, 1986, a violent struggle began in Aden between Ali Nasir’s supporters and supporters of the returned Ismail, who wanted power back. Fighting, known as the South Yemen Civil War, lasted for more than a month and resulted in thousands of casualties, Ali Nasir’s ouster, and Ismail’s death. Some 60,000 people, including the deposed Ali Nasir, fled to the YAR. Ali Salim al-Beidh, an ally of Ismail who had succeeded in escaping the attack on pro-Ismail members of the Politburo, then became General Secretary of the Yemeni Socialist Party. Yemeni Unification Against the background of the perestroika in the USSR, the main backer of the PDRY, political reforms were started in the late 1980s. Political prisoners were released, political parties were formed and the system of justice was reckoned to be more equitable than in the North. In May 1988, the YAR and PDRY governments came to an understanding that considerably reduced tensions including agreement to renew discussions concerning unification, to establish a joint oil exploration area along their undefined border, to demilitarize the border, and to allow Yemenis unrestricted border passage on the basis of only a national identification card. In 1990, the parties reached a full agreement on joint governing of Yemen, and the countries were effectively merged as Yemen. After three years, however, a political crisis arose between the South’s YSP and the North’s GPC and Islah parties after the parliamentary elections in 1993. 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Stalin 2.0 Don’t believe a word he says.

Go ahead. Make your educated case based on your research on how Putin is Stalin 2.0.

I’ll wait.

Bait used to be believable.
If only, then the Russian Federation would be socialist and not still recovering from the economic devastation capitalism and shock therapy brought.
The quality of the trolls, is how we know we have organic trolling over at lemmy as opposed to astroturfing. 🤣
When reddit sends their ragebaiting libs they’re not sending their best
Why did they put coup on quotation marks. The coup isn’t in question
Oh but it is in question. Just ask literally any lib in the fediverse. The Narrative tells us that all of that was just part of how Ukraine is democratic, unlike the totalitarian Russia. If it was a coup, then it was a coup that the wholesome Ukrainian people (none of them Nazis) all wanted. Only the tankies, having fallen for the Russian Disinformation and become Russian bots themselves believe that it was a actual “coup,” so we always have to put it in scare quotes and snicker about how easily misled the authoritarian tankies are. Have you been living under a rock or something, tankie?

Have you been living under a rock or something, tankie?

I try to lol. I honestly can’t imagine what libs actually think is the reason for the war.

The liberals just think that there are inherently evil people like story book villains who have to play the role by throwing a wrench in what would otherwise be a perfectly peaceful and happy capitalist world order since that’s what antagonists do. It’s a form of Great Man Theory; everything would be fine if it weren’t for the bad guys, in this case Putin, who just want to take over for the sake of their own personal vanity. There doesn’t need to be any reasons for the war beyond that for liberals. It’s only materialists who have to worry about looking for material causes of things.

Imagine cosplaying as a real socialist while supporting a fascist state conducting an imperialist war of aggression.

Just tankie things I guess.

How can you call yourself a socialist when you support a fascist dictator (Putin) running a failing hyper-capitalist petro-state (Russia) conducting an imperialist war of aggression in Ukraine?

Sounds like you’re a liberal just wearing a tattered old Soviet hat. You’re the same as Americans cheering on their imperialist adventures.

How can you call yourself socialist when you pick the NATO boot an repeat US state foreign policy?

Sounds like you’re a scratched iberal. You’re indistinguishable from a blue MAGA cheering on the us imperialist adventures

I haven’t expressed any support for the US or NATO.
You do when you repeat their talking points
So if I was just repeating Russian “talking points” you’d have no problem with that?
It depends on what is being said. Neither @[email protected] nor @[email protected] did so no I didnt have a problem with that. You on the hand repeated the NATO narrative that Russia is imperialist, indicating that you have a non Marxist understanding of imperialism (because youre a lib) and don’t understand the nature of the war
It’s impossible to exclude the US, EU and NATO involvement from the whole conflict, including the Maidan coup. Since before 2014, the region was already under a geopolitical dispute. One side (the Ukrainian right) who assumed the government were very much pro EU, ousted the more neutral president and made illegal all opposition parties. So it’s not a matter of whether you like Russia or not, this is a geopolitical conflict.
Yeah, that’s a good example
I don’t think a fascist dictator can legitimately accuse anyone of a coup.
Why not? Can a murderer not point out a murder?
Apparently not. Russia’s had their license to whitedom revoked, which lasted between the 90s and late 2000s, so only bad-bad things happens in Russia and all good-good democratic things happens in the West (which they are no longer a part of), sweaty.
It was a coup. That’s just an objective thing that happened regardless of this article or the quatation from Putin
Luckily putin is neither fascist nor a dictator.

Yeah, fifth term and 88% of the vote.

Totally legitimate. Definitely not dictator for life.

Yet another westerner who can’t imagine that a politician can be popular.

How to be popular:

  • Use a loophole to run for a third term of presidency by becoming prime minister.
  • Rewrite the constitution during your third term to remove your term limit.
  • Jail your political opponents.
  • Assassinate critics.
  • Only allow approved opposition to run.
  • Brutally crush any democratic protests.
  • Force government employees to vote for you.
  • Start a war to rally support for yourself.
  • Take lots of weird, shirtless, old-man photos.
This seems tame compared to the shit western rulers are pulling
He’s pointing n out why he is a facist dictator. Not addressing the west. He’s answering the question and this whataboutism and straw man shit is on you.

Putin is a conservative, a right winger, a nationalist, a capitalist pig, you name it. I won’t deny it. But calling him a fascist is not knowing what fascist is about.

Also, I have no problem in saying Russia is not democratic. As long as you don’t use it as an argument to justify any attack against Russia or Russians, since no place in the world is actually democratic.

Sorry, but nothing you said is uncommon in your democratic countries

Use a loophole to run for a third term of presidency by becoming prime minister.

Macron used a loophole to do a very unpopular retirement pension reform bypassing congress.

Rewrite the constitution during your third term to remove your term limit.

Didn’t know amending the constitution or re-writing it was anti-democratic. Then no democratic country would ever pass this test.

Jail your political opponents.

Like Ukraine did? apnews.com/…/europe-ukraine-arrests-business-gove…

Or like Germany is doing right now?

middleeasteye.net/…/germany-crackdown-israel-gaza…

Assassinate critics.

Learn about COINTELPRO.

Only allow approved opposition to run.

Ukraine again:

aljazeera.com/…/why-did-ukraine-suspend-11-pro-ru…

Brutally crush any democratic protests.

Can you not see what is happening right now to anti-genocide protesters? Also what about Odessa massacre?

peoplesworld.org/…/the-odessa-trade-union-massacr…

Force government employees to vote for you.

AFAIK, vote is still done in secrecy in Russia.

Start a war to rally support for yourself.

Like, the Iraqi, Lybia, Afghanistan and Iran wars? Or Yugoslavia?

Take lots of weird, shirtless, old-man photos.

I think you have some kind of kink with Putin, why does this have anything to do with being democratic or not?

TLDR;

That said, the points you listed are not uncommon in any democratic countries. Unless you say that no country is democratic, therefore I will agree with you. Neither Russia nor any other country in the West or in any part in the world is actually democratic.

Ukraine opposition leader and Putin ally under house arrest

A top Ukrainian opposition politician with close links to Russian President Vladimir Putin has been placed under house arrest days after being charged with treason. Viktor Medvedchuk, who heads the Opposition Platform for Life party, the largest opposition force in parliament, denies the charges brought against him last week and says they’re politically motivated. Medvedchuk has close personal ties with Putin, the godfather of Medvedchuk’s daughter. Prosecutors had asked a court in Kyiv to put Medvedchuk in jail, but a judge Thursday ordered house arrest instead. Medvedchuk is accused of transferring oil and gas production licenses from one of the fields in the Russia-annexed Crimea to Moscow, and disclosing secret data on the deployment of Ukrainian military units.

AP News
Was Merkel dictator for life too?
People need to understand what fascism is before calling everyone a fascist. I have no love for Putin and I think he is a piece of shit, but he is no fascist.
was anyone waiting for him to go and say “whoops, all my fault” or what
But Ukraine has had elections since 2014…
Yah, that’s the crisis.
Rigged, of course
If the war is too hard for Putin, he can get out of Ukraine and go to the Hague to be judged for his war crimes lmao