US Democrats are so enamored with the idea that Trump is “distracting” because a fundamental pillar of US liberalism is that nothing real can ever happen. It’s just not allowed. So when real things do happen, like a fascist takeover and military occupation of the US capital, they can only conceive of it in terms of messaging, of signs and symbols.

The real world ended in 1992, after the Soviet Union collapsed and Bill Clinton became President and neoliberalism settled in as The End of History.

The first real thing that will ever happen to many of these people will be their own deaths.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/dem-strategists-urged-party-trump-military-takeover-1235415635/

Dems’ Messaging Nerds Urged Party Not to Talk About Trump’s Military Takeover

Democrats’ favorite research firm told Democrats to avoid discussing Trump’s “rising authoritarianism” and focus on tariffs instead.

Rolling Stone
@HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb What exactly do you think people should be doing that they aren’t? I see so many takes like this and they never say anything useful. Do you mean violence? Is there something besides voting, protesting, preparing, protecting, suing, supporting allies, etc. that I am failing to do as a US democrat that can make a difference?

@vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb I hope the responses to this show you the types of clowns you will encounter on Kolektiva. I’m not sure if it’s a Russian troll farm, the biggest collection of idiots this side of a Trump rally, or a combination of both.

They tell people not to vote… then when that leads to fascists taking power, they say violence is the only solution. Self-fulfilling prophecy from keyboard warriors that will never take up arms in a rebellion of any kind. An absolute clown show, and not the funny kind of clowns.

@mls14

You hate kolektiva? Block the instance...

I think we both know you will not accomplish anything here. Just save yourself the headache and leave...

@vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb

@PandaCab @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb I want to see what opinions are out there even if I disagree. For example. I didn’t realize until this conversation that there were many gun nuts on the left too. I thought the gun-lovers were almost all with MAGA.

So, maybe they are trolls. Or maybe they are just very similar to MAGA in most ways, but do it from the “left”? Either way, I definitely learned something.

@thomasjwebb @mls14 @PandaCab @vonnieda

“Armed self-defense against fascism? What a bunch of gun nuts!”

If you had been on John Brown’s jury, you would have voted to convict and sentence him to death.

@HeavenlyPossum

Just in case, because I know it can be exhausting: don't forget to think of your own well-being and not waste too much energy it this mess.

@mls14

I might be wrong but your previous comments implies that you do not think kolektiva users have good arguments, and that they're trolls at best. I feel like you have already made your mind...

Furthermore, seeing other opinions doesn't mean you have to interact with them... You barged in a thread you don't like and apparently makes you annoyed or even angry.

Why? This is *weird*.

@vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb

@PandaCab @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb Is it any weirder than the interaction you started with me?

I got quite upset at somebody saying “buy guns” on the day of a mass shooting targeting children. I don’t regret it; more guns is unquestionably a very bad thing.

@PandaCab @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb According to you I guess. My reasoning for posting was a strong opposition to proliferation of guns. Your interjection seems to be a case of psychological curiosity about me.

@PandaCab @mls14 @vonnieda @thomasjwebb

Guns, which are already proliferate in American society, are readily available to fascists.

So what we really need to do to keep people safe is to stop people who might oppose fascism from acquiring guns.

@mls14

My interjection in me trying to make you self-aware and leave the people in this thread alone.

Yours is getting angry at people you don't like and misrepresenting arguments you don't care about. If you are so adamant about arguing with people you disagree with, can't you find an openly fascist instance you could mad at instead?

Please go away.

@vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb

@PandaCab @thomasjwebb @mls14 @vonnieda

Are you worried Jason is going to shoot children with the guns I recommended he should buy?

@mls14

You swooped in to accuse me of

- being a Russian agent
- being a member of the KKK
- causing Donald Trump’s second presidency
- fomenting violence in the US, and
- being like MAGA

So yeah it was pretty fucking something

@thomasjwebb @PandaCab @vonnieda

@HeavenlyPossum @mls14 @thomasjwebb @PandaCab @vonnieda These liberals wish I was getting paid by the Russkies. I serve up these hot takes for free, baby. I came to all these feelings & opinions as a natural result of living in the USA. I learned all this marxist/anarchist theory on the taxpayer dime at public colleges and libraries.

You have focused on gun ownership as an individualist consumer issue. Do you also advocate disarming the police? If not, then you’re not consistently anti-gun.

@HeavenlyPossum @mls14 @thomasjwebb @PandaCab @vonnieda In my city, the police actually commit a plurality of homicides. So it seems the fastest way to cut gun violence would be to disarm them.

Realistically, the USA has so many guns that we need something like demobilization on the scale of a country recovering from a civil war. Violence is facilitated by weapon access, but caused by social inequality. Pacifist Quaker/Amish farmers have guns too. They just use them responsibly for farm shit

@sidereal @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb @PandaCab @vonnieda Thank you.

Defund the police. Make people join a “well-regulated militia” if they want guns. And keep the guns under guard at local armories unless we are invaded in time of war.

@HeavenlyPossum
"The KKK on Kolektiva are cowering, masturbating Russian agents" - Adult In The Room

@mls14 @PandaCab @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb

"I definitely learned something."

No, you most definitely did not.

@PandaCab @mls14 @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb

Dem voter for 55 years. The Democratic Party stands for nothing. It isn’t the party of my youth. I vote persistently, but I as least know what I’m voting for. They have been a center right party since the Clinton administration. They operate from a position of weakness, formulating their positions on polling or what they perceive to be public opinion. /1