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Jason von Nieda 🐀Aug 27, 2025

@HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb What exactly do you think people should be doing that they aren’t? I see so many takes like this and they never say anything useful. Do you mean violence? Is there something besides voting, protesting, preparing, protecting, suing, supporting allies, etc. that I am failing to do as a US democrat that can make a difference?

@vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum @thomasjwebb I hope the responses to this show you the types of clowns you will encounter on Kolektiva. I’m not sure if it’s a Russian troll farm, the biggest collection of idiots this side of a Trump rally, or a combination of both.

They tell people not to vote… then when that leads to fascists taking power, they say violence is the only solution. Self-fulfilling prophecy from keyboard warriors that will never take up arms in a rebellion of any kind. An absolute clown show, and not the funny kind of clowns.

@mls14 @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum “violence is the only solution” said no one in this thread. The op is criticizing the “voting is the only solution” contingent.

@thomasjwebb @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum “buy guns” was the post. You’re ascribing imagined nuance where none exists.

@mls14 @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum no, this was the post https://kolektiva.social/@HeavenlyPossum/115099971946314206

HeavenlyPossum (@[email protected])

US Democrats are so enamored with the idea that Trump is “distracting” because a fundamental pillar of US liberalism is that nothing real can ever happen. It’s just not allowed. So when real things do happen, like a fascist takeover and military occupation of the US capital, they can only conceive of it in terms of messaging, of signs and symbols. The real world ended in 1992, after the Soviet Union collapsed and Bill Clinton became President and neoliberalism settled in as The End of History. The first real thing that will ever happen to many of these people will be their own deaths. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/dem-strategists-urged-party-trump-military-takeover-1235415635/

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@thomasjwebb @vonnieda @HeavenlyPossum Scroll the thread. You will see the post I’m talking about. It’s from the OP, it’s only two words, and a response to somebody asking what the OP’s solution to this problem is. Don’t gaslight when people can literally read the thread and see that you’re lying.

HeavenlyPossum Aug 27, 2025

@vonnieda @thomasjwebb @mls14

I didn’t say that buying guns was a solution to the fascist takeover of the US. That’s a problem that’s wildly outside the scope of individual action to solve. Someone asked me what they should do and I answered, wisely and correctly, that they should buy guns.

Maybe you should try reading what I actually wrote before misportraying my words and accusing other people of gaslighting.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/

@HeavenlyPossum @vonnieda @thomasjwebb @mls14 Buying guns is extremely unwise. The risk of death by gun violence increases massively when somebody in your household owns one.

I oppose anybody who tells others to buy guns.

Debunking the ‘Guns Make Us Safer’ Myth

Despite arguments from the gun lobby and its allies, guns used for self-defense are not common, beneficial for society, or efficient in deterring mass shootings or criminal victimization.

Center for American Progress

HeavenlyPossum Aug 27, 2025

@vonnieda @thomasjwebb @mls14

The risk of death by gun violence when fascists take over your country is pretty high too, whether you have a gun or not.

@HeavenlyPossum @vonnieda @mls14 guns aren't for everyone. This article is addressing different points than were made here. Key things to consider:

A) arithmetic fallacy
B) the dynamic world

Throwing all guns, people and deaths into a bucket and saying things about the bucket gives us important info but can't speak to your situation. Self-harm is contingent on your mental state. Safety is contingent on your measures such as safes and regular training.

Thommy

@HeavenlyPossum @vonnieda @mls14 looking backwards in time comparing self-defense rate vs. deaths becomes less relevant the more dynamic the situation. For an extreme example to illustrate, the judiciousness of arming oneself changes substantially if your country is getting invaded. Guns aren't useful in stopping mass shootings and mass shootings are too rare to be a good reason to arm oneself even if they were. We're not talking about that

The US is being invaded by its own federal government.