vegetaIntel details everything that could go wrong with US taking a 10% stake
I hope they lose billions on this deal. I know I’m only going with AMD now. It’s not much, but I do buy all the tech for my company. Servers, laptops, etc… will all be AMD going forward.
intel must still be hanging on purely based on corporate computers? or is there something else they are a large part of?
this just be in my bubble, but i feel like anyone i know over the last 15 years has been exclusively getting AMD, whether theyre tech savvy or just a regular consumer.
Can confirm my work laptop has an Intel chip
Their new GPU has a pretty solid price/performance.
CPU is shit though
r00tyI got a new work laptop recently. First one I've ever had that didn't have an Intel cpu. Company is a decent sized multinational.
I think it's already turning. But at the same time I don't think the US can afford to let Intel fail entirely.
15 years? absolutely not. At the very least Skylake was very popular 5-10 years ago.
Athlon64 x2s fucking dominated Pentiums back in the mid 2000s, but the market for people playing games was much smaller. Only with the i-series did Intel come back on top. Ryzen was great when it came out for budget gaming, but Intel still was supreme in perforce until the Ryzen 3D processors came out.
the person above said:
anyone i know over the last 15 years has been exclusively getting AMD
that is 100% nonsense.
Oh I agree with you, but in my experience the people i know have predominately gone AMD as well. When I bought my 9900k, Reddit was HEAVILY downvoting any Intel support and upvoting AMD support. It doesn’t reflect the market, it I do see that in social trends.
…that said, while my 9900k still kicks ass, I am never going Intel again after recent news hahaha
All that bullshit where they didn’t immediately recall their processors with hardware issues put me off Intel indefinitely
JustEnoughDucksDefense contracting.
They do a a good amount of of military industrial contracting and work for 3 letter agencies on data processing/ high performance computing.
They also got awarded government funding in 2024 to build logic chips for the military in-country.
Not enough to sustain the company, but such “sensitive” programs may not be allowed to show up in revenue reports or have to be assigned to other areas or so.
A lot of people I work with still buy Intel based on brand recognition alone. Most are tech savvy people too.
setVeryLoud(true);Not having competition is not a good thing. I hope a third player comes along.
Heck of an industry to break into.
CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]Would TSMC be considered a competitor to AMD?
No. AMD is fabless; TSMC doesn’t design chips. They’re in different parts of the supply chain.
muusemuuseCompetitor is already here. Apple and Ampere are making ARM systems that fit most users needs. There are ARM servers. But people don’t want to switch.
Apple doesn’t really exist as a competitor for a number of industries and use cases due to not officially supporting anything other than OSX so I’m not sure if they’re a fair comparison here.
They do fine with content creation. Windows 11 has been such a bear many are moving back, and the m-series mac mini is a surprisingly capable little box that’s not offensively priced.
VeganCheesecakeI’d buy a macbook, but it’s a lot more expensive than my “throw Linux on a used corporate thinkpad” approach, and I can tolerate macOS, but don’t love it. If you’re in the market for a new premium laptop, I think they’re pretty established, and I do think people are buying them.
Ampere workstations are cool, but in a price range where most customers are probably corporate, and they’ll mostly buy what they know works. I think their offerings are mostly niche for engineers who do dev work with stuff that will run on arm servers.
I’d say non-corporate arm adoption will grow when there’s more affordable new and used options from mainstream manufacturers. Most people won’t go for an expensive niche option, and probably don’t care about architecture. Most Apple machines probably sell because they’re Apple machines, not because of the chip inside.
I don’t know exact numbers, but I do feel that arm server adoption isn’t going to badly, especially with new web servers.
BurntWitsI own an M1 MacBook. I don’t use it nearly as much as my main pc (gaming laptop with CachyOS (Arch-based, btw)) but it’s very well built and is well optimized. If I could get the build of a MacBook but with the specs of my gaming pc without spending 2x the price as I would on a pre-build windows machine I would absolutely do it.
I wouldn’t buy a used Lenovo right now. There’s a lot of 13th/14th gen Intel trash blowing around out there right now that’s been silently damaged already. There are Ryzen based Lenovos but those aren’t as common.
Probably applies to most used Laptops right now. Also, I have some thinkpad nostalgia, but the similar skus from other manufacturers will also do, though they put course have the same problem.
Generally, you of course always need to research the specific hardware. Also, my current one is on 8th gen, still does the job for now.
Literally illegal. Only AMD and Intel have the patent cross-licensing rights to make x86 chips. There used to be a third company (Cyrix and subsequently VIA), and (maybe?) still is, but it hasn’t been relevant to the desktop CPU market in decades.
We don’t need competition in the x86 space, we need competition in the mobile/desktop/server space. That could easily be performance competitive ARM or RISC-v or whatever. Better even with diversity of design.
Enterprise ARM servers exist, I’ve used them, they’re neat.
With a proper stack you don’t even notice they’re arm
Or riscv
dreadbeefyup, named RISC-V
MereoI've been building computers since 1999, and I've noticed that the industry is cyclical. I've purchased CPUs from both Intel and AMD. We need Intel to succeed, otherwise AMD will dominate the x86 processor market.
The architecture is in its swan song anyways. Let AMD ride it into the sunset and bid it good riddance.
Modern times aren’t like the past.
Don’t get me wrong, the market will probably be worse if Intel were to go bust (certainly in the short term), but it wouldn’t be anywhere near as devastating as it would’ve been 10, 15, 20 years ago.
x86 isn’t the only viable architecture in town anymore.
Apple and others have proven that ARM is certainly viable for PCs.
Yes, Qualcomm’s X Elite was a complete dud, but that’s more on their/MS’s absolute shit show of driver/firmware/graphics API development, not on the hardware. Nvidia’s ARM stuff is already more mature.
Now imagine if Intel disappeared. AMD simply would not be able to meet the demand required, it’d tigger an arms race of companies pushing ARM and RISC-V development. Nvidia has not kept it secret that they want to get more into CPUs.
Shit, as unlikely as it initially seems, there’s so much money on the table that Apple could even consider selling SoCs (although even if they did, I imagine they’d retain the best for themselves, or charge a huge premium).