rustyredoxOur Channel Could Be Deleted - Gamers Nexus
DonutsRMehHow is his channel going to be deleted? They appealed the take down and YouTube will reinstate the video in a matter of 10 days if Bloomberg failed to produce proof that he used their copy right shit. I’m actually genuinely asking because I watched the whole video and Steve didn’t say anything about their channel being deleted.
paraphrandI sympathize with Steve and how he is, and how he goes about explaining things. And the style of making sharp points.
But he’s also flawed, and knows how to play the content game. This is nearly just clickbait. And they flew across the country in service of his style of rhetoric.
I honestly wish more people with audiences were just as pedantic and critical as he is. But he also has his own set of biases in the computer landscape. He is still a Gamer after all.
I don’t think it’s clickbait at all. He’s in real danger of being silenced. With this latest project he reached into a massive wasp nest for sure, but I admire his efforts to speak up in cases like this.
And I haven’t found any bias in his content in general. He’s pretty transparent about his methodologies.
Title is clickbait, because a sentence like that without context is alarmist.
It's not wrong, it's mentioned and explained in the video, byt it's still clickbait.
The story here is Bloomberg fuckery and the copyright strike, not the imminent channel deletion.
without context? context is in the video. or do you want titles that span 4 lines with 3 sentences?
No, just be honest. "Bloomberg fradulent copyright strike on our black market documentary".
Still one sentence.
I use a Firefox extension called Dearrow because of this understandable, but unfortunate trend.
Why is it a big deal? Don’t you agree with Linus that clickbait is just part of the game, and we should accept the sensational thumbnails and titles? Hate the game, not the player and all that?
Just because it’s being normalized by the Linuses and Tech Jesuses on youtube doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call it what it is.
This video is click bait and the content is rather mid. We’re clearly supposed to feel some kind of outrage over a freedom of press kinda thing, but in reality the video is more like: waaah our ad revenue took a hit on this one video because of Big Evil Company abusing the copyright claim system, NOT FAIR! (Ignoring that this has been happening hundreds if not thousands of times per day for over a decade to much smaller channels than GamersNexus, without a peep from Tech Jesus on the issue).
I’m actually on your side. I was bringing up those questions to question why they would get upset with be gently applying clickbait label.
Usually fans of these channels fall in line with the rhetoric.
But once again, I tried a conversation style that failed when I didn’t get a response from who I was talking to, and I got downvotes.
sorry, not everyone is browsing lemmy as if it was a full time job. also I’m not a fan of them in that sense. Maybe I have watched 3 of their videos and even that was years ago. I just understand that copyright strikes are very dangerous even for a big channel like that, because independently of how many videos you have, it’s always only 3 strikes you need to get your channel deleted, and if they are mad and start looking it could easily happen.
No worries are directed at you. It’s just me lamenting how I keep going about things wrong.
I need to touch grass, for sure.
nah, me too, other days I use it too much I have to admit.
I don’t think it’s clickbait. if you made a company angry, it’s not that hard to get another 2 strikes too now that they are watching more closely, and it’s very hard if not impossible to get back a channel from that.
So it was strike 1? And wasn’t strike 3 and the deletion is pending? It’s not the worst stretch of things, but it’s stretching it a little unless the deletion is pending.
I don’t think your perspective is invalid tho.
afaik (but take it with a grain of salt) at 3 strikes the decision is not pending but automatic, and very hard to reverse, partly because kost of decision making at youtube has been automatic for a long time, and just like with google they don’t have a support channel (that is easy to find and reach)
He has a huge bias against Macs. I suspect you won’t be receptive to that idea.
There’s a general sense of consoles and other devices being beneath the channel. Little comments often surface during news segments that touch on them. It’s not that they don’t acknowledge them.
And with how shitty Microsoft is, you’d think they would be more even handed about the whole thing.
But this is filtered though my sensitive ears because I came up with Mac gaming and console gaming, and I’m sensitive to when people are dismissive of other options. The same thing use to happen to Linux until the Steam Deck and associated software support from valve forced people out of treating all Linux gaming as an afterthought.
Edit: use your words guys. The downvotes are nonsense.
I agree with you.
I would assume its in reference to the section of the video quoting YouTube’s policies that channels can be removed after 3 copyright strikes. Bloomberg has 10 days to appeal to YouTube and keep the strike active
Right, but Bloomberg only did it once. Unless Steve is talking “in general”.
The problem is that any strikes put an account at risk. There have been instances of accounts being knocked off overnight by frivolous strikes from one claimant, or multiple claimants just happening to coincide. The title was intentionally alarming, or sensational, but not really clickbait.
maaneeack3 dmca/copyright strikes on a channel and yt deletes you. It was mentioned near the beginning of the video.
Right but Bloomberg only did it once, right? Or are they talking about “in general”?
baduhaiIt’s clickbait.
A smear that can be leveled at any large content creator without any other thought attached.
It’s not clickbait. The 3 strikes is general, so even if Bloomberg comes back and says it was an accident or unsubstantiated, gn still takes the hit and is that much closer to being deleted. They could very easily make another 2 or cause a lot more issues leading to the deletion of his account. An considering they don’t want to talk to him at all, and even making this video will likely really piss them off, it absolutely does lead to the possibility that he has his account deleted
It’s not clickbait. The 3 strikes is general, so even if Bloomberg comes back and says it was an accident or unsubstantiated, gn still takes the hit and is that much closer to being deleted
That’s not true. It has to be 3 strikes with merit, so rejected or reverted ones don’t count, and they expire after 90 days too.
Ah I didn’t know that, so I appreciate the correction. In that case itsa little more click baity… But still good to know if you follow his channel. Thank you!
You can easily get three strikes in a few moments with frivolous takedown. Then you are deleted and can only hope to beg youtube to reinstate you on twitter.
That’s fucking insane. I can only imagine how scary it is for those who make YouTube their full-time job. :/
Play in someone else’s walled garden, and they may kick you out and not let you back in. It’s not as if people haven’t been warning against this since the beginning of youtube.
That’s why I never made a career out of it. I just never like the idea of putting my whole life in YouTube’s hands. I do have a small channel that I post to whenever I feel like and never really cared for it much. Sometimes, I don’t post for a couple of years.
You can easily get three strikes in a few moments with frivolous takedown
So what you’re basically saying is that any YouTube channel since the dawn of the DMCA has been permanently in the status of “Our Channel Could Be Deleted”. That’s… not exactly news is it? What makes the GamersNexus case special?
What’s different is they are being targeted.
Why is this being downvoted?
You angered the tech jesus fanbois
😂. My apologies, my apostles.
How is his channel going to be deleted?
It’s clickbait.
It’s clickbait.
That is an ignorant knee jerk claim.
As I wrote in a previous response:
Bloomberg has 10 days to file for lawsuit against Gamers Nexus. If they do, the take down stands, and it’s a strike until Gamers Nexus may win the case. Which will be expensive. 3 strikes and YouTube closes the channel with near zero option for appeal.
Gamers Nexus cannot manage if a big company like Bloomberg goes all in. They can easily bankrupt a small channel like Gamers Nexus with frivolous lawsuits. And if you are bankrupt, you can’t defend yourself.
The US judicial system is heavily tilted towards those that have more money.
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Oh please get over yourself, you silly self righteous fan boy. Don’t act as if your beloved “Tech Jesus” is above tactics like click baiting to get clicks and views. Almost every single one of his videos has a click bait or otherwise “algorithm optimized” title and thumbnail.
And I get it, it’s their livelihood, they rely on getting views, but that doesn’t make it not click bait and this one in particular is a gross exageration: they got a single bogus copyright strike and it was reverted. The channel was never going to be deleted.
Hey and it worked too, because I got it in my youtube feed, clicked on it and watched the video, and I probably wouldn’t have if I had known it was such a nothing burger.
Where did I claim Gamers Nexus is above using click bait!
But very clearly it isn’t here, and the amount of downvotes you received for claiming it, hints that most don’t agree with you.
So maybe it’s not so much me, as it is you making an unreasonable and unfounded claim.
And no the take down is not reverted, it is in a process where it MAY be reverted.
Also I don’t see you provide a single valid argument for your statement, while I actually explain how it is not click bait, because the threat is real.
But very clearly it isn’t here
How the hell isn’t it?
Title: “Our Channel Could Be Deleted!!!” <insert dramatic thumbnail featuring the word “SILENCED” in red capital letters>
Yet even in the video itself they explain that :
And I will add my own 3: YouTube will never just outright delete a cashcow channel like GamersNexus.
I get that they’re pissed because the claim was bogus and it cost them good ad revenue on that video, but the channel is not and never was in danger of being deleted. The title is clickbait for some rather mid content.
the amount of downvotes
LOL “I’m right because I got more upvotes”.
How the hell isn’t it?
Because it is true, the channel could be deleted, and it was an obvious attempt by Bloomberg to silence him, which he shows many reason for why they may want to do in the video.
When it is true it is not clickbait.
Youtube sided with them, the copyright strike got reverted and the video restored.
For the fourth time, it is NOT reverted, and the video is NOT restored.
It takes three copyright strikes to delete a channel.
Maybe it is the third? You don’t know, at least you haven’t shown anything to indicate that you do.
And I will add my own 3: YouTube will never just outright delete a cashcow channel like GamersNexus.
Again Gamers Nexus is small fry for YouTube.
LOL “I’m right because I got more upvotes”.
No you make false claims, and was downvoted for it. Usually click bait is an easily accepted answer, but here it was not because you are wrong.
How the fuck are you so dense?
Read my whole comment. It is demonstrably NOT true.
I did and edited my comment, adding more false claims doesn’t make you right.
Also it’s rich calling me dense, when you repeatedly make the same false claim that the take down is reverted when it is not. It’s explained very clearly in the video, that it takes 10 days from filing the complaint, and if Bloomberg persist on the issue, the take down stands.
You are very dense to not accept that when it’s explained to you at least three times!!!
It’s explained very clearly in the video, that it takes 10 days from filing the complaint. If Bloomberg persist on the issue, the take down stands.
I addressed this. Bloomberg must press actual legal charges for the takedown to stand, and provide proof to Youtube. This is mentioned very around 7:32 in the video. Here’s a screenshot:
YouTube is basically saying to Bloomberg: yeah, we are ruling that this is not infringement, but if you still disagree and really want to press the issue… put your money where your mouth is and provide proof that you filed actual legal charges. They’re only doing what is legally required of them by the DMCA.
And, as you conveniently keep ignoring, even if alllll this ends up with Bloomberg suing GamersNexus in a court of law and winning (a highly unlikely outcome) and the video being permanently delisted… that is still only 1 copyright strike, and not enough for “The Channel To Be Deleted!!!”. Ergo: it is fucking click bait.
I addressed this. Bloomberg must press actual legal charges for the takedown to stand,
Why then did you continue to claim: “the copyright strike got reverted and the video restored.” ?
YouTube is basically saying to Bloomberg: yeah, we are ruling that this is not infringement,
No they are not, because the decision stands unless Bloomberg doesn’t take further action.
Notice the take down notice according to Bloomberg themselves ,was not a mistake made by some form of automation. It was a manually reviewed take down notice by Bloomberg specifically against the video.
Also notice that such a take down notice result in a 100% guaranteed 10 day take down of the video, silencing it for 10 days, where even if restored after 10 days will only receive a fraction of the original views due to the YouTube algorithm not presenting it.
So the Silence part is 100% true and not clickbait as you claim.
IF Bloomberg chooses to pursue the issue in court, the take down will stand even though it is obviously made in bad faith. This is very contrary to your claim that it’s already lifted which it is NOT!
that is still only 1 copyright strike
You keep claiming that, as if it has any real relevance. And as if you know how many of these they receive on average, and completely disregarding how easy it is to make a DMCA take down claim, and disregarding how these claims take down channels even when they are obviously not valid.
One aspect of how insane the YouTube practices are on handling these is described here:
reddit.com/…/youtube_gave_me_a_copyright_strike_f…
So now if you would care to consider the motivation for the take down, which we don’t know for sure, but we do have some circumstantial evidence.
The video was about AI chips used in China that China is not supposed to have access to.
The AI market in China is a $30+ billion per year market for Nvidia. So obviously Nvidia is not interested in it being disclosed about how their chips are sold to China despite being sanctioned.
Also notice that Nvidia is Bloombergs biggest customer. And Bloomberg made a similar video to the one Gamers Nexus made, but where Bloomberg found nothing,
Now consider a billion dollar market is at stake, and Nvidia probably spend more than the total value of Gamers Nexus at Bloomberg per month. How big do you think Gamers Nexus is in that context? They are as I described small, it’s like a mouse fighting an rhino.
Now if Nvidia want that video blocked more than 10 days, they can easily have Bloomberg continue their frivolous claim, and have other allies post take down notices against Gamers Nexus and have the channel closed. It’s actually insane how easy it is, because Google seems to almost always side with the bigger player, probably because it’s the cheapest solution requiring the fewest lawyers.
So the threat to close the channel is absolutely there. And the only real protection Gamers Nexus has is the Streisand effect. Legally they can practically do next to nothing.
If Bloomberg decides to, they can squash Gamers Nexus like a bug with little effort. If you really can’s see that you are very naive.
Bloomberg has 10 days to file for lawsuit against Gamers Nexus. If they do, the take down stands, and it’s a strike until Gamers Nexus may win the case. Which will be expensive. 3 strikes and YouTube closes the channel with near zero option for appeal.
Gamers Nexus cannot manage if a big company like Bloomberg goes all in. They can easily bankrupt a small channel like Gamers Nexus with frivolous lawsuits. And if you are bankrupt, you can’t defend yourself.
The US judicial system is heavily tilted towards those that have more money.
AppoxoBut it’s only one of 3 strikes.
And I am sure it can even expire at some point.
So what’s the matter?
And I am sure it can even expire at some point.
So what’s the matter?
Since YouTube also count frivolous claims, you can get 3 strikes in no time.
How many take down claims have been put against them already? How many did they successfully resolve?
IDK, and if you don’t either, you are making an argument from ignorance.
But as I mentioned, there is basically no defense against 3 frivolous strikes. It will close the channel, no matter how much the channel can prove it’s innocence.
Unless of course it’s a mega corp, they have different rules, because they are big and google makes money from them, and they have big lawyer teams.
“small.”
Make no mistake. Gamers Nexus is a multi million dollar company.
Sure, Bloomberg is much, much bigger. But while gamers Nexus is the underdog, it’s not the toothless underdog. That little fucker will bite in bloomberg’s ankles before it dies and tbf: it looks like it’s already yapping and took it’s first bite.
That is true, but yes Gamers Nexus is (relatively) small, and a million dollars can be gone in no time, if a multi billion dollar company decides you need to be gone.
1 million dollars is far from enough to run just a single somewhat high profile copyright lawsuit.
This case is simple, so they will probably manage that pretty easily, there is basically no way Bloomberg can win. It’s just a typical harassment tactic that will work against by far the most smaller outlets. But Steve is smart, he knows bullshit when he sees it, and he is not easily scared.
But if Bloomberg gets pissed enough, Gamers Nexus could soon be toast. Just like Gamers Nexus has friends more powerful than themselves, so does Bloomberg.
And 3 frivolous take down notices can appear from various sources in no time. And to YouTube Gamers Nexus is definitely small fry.
Fortunately, New York has anti-SLAPP laws. In fact, they made them stronger when it comes to matters that touch free speech on public issues, which is what reporting something the president said would fall squarely under.
Good on New York, and good to hear.
What’s the difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars?
Answer: roughly a billion dollars.
Being a million-dollar company means nothing against a company where a million dollars can count as little more than a rounding error.