Cameron MacLeodAug 16, 2025

A good* historical tour.

“The statistics are brutal. Fascist takeovers prevented after winning power democratically: zero. Average length of fascist rule once established: 31 years. Fascist regimes removed by voting: zero. Fascist regimes removed by asking nicely: zero. Most were removed by war or military coups, and tens of millions died in the process.”

https://medium.com/@carmitage/i-researched-every-attempt-to-stop-fascism-in-history-the-success-rate-is-0-a665e2e048a2

* for various versions of “good”, see replies for corrections and context that some people feel is lacking. They sent lots of comments to me but zero to the author?

Show threadCameron MacLeodAug 16, 2025

“The pattern is so consistent it’s almost funny if it weren’t so terrifying. Every single time it goes like this: Conservatives panic about socialism or progressives or whatever. They ally with fascists as the “lesser evil.” Fascists take power. Fascists immediately purge anyone who stands in their way. Then it’s 30–50 years of dictatorship. This happened in Germany, Italy, Spain, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Greece, Portugal, Croatia, Romania, and Hungary.”

https://medium.com/@carmitage/i-researched-every-attempt-to-stop-fascism-in-history-the-success-rate-is-0-a665e2e048a2

Show threadChookMother 🇦🇺🦘Aug 18, 2025
@c_9 When did Germany have 30- 50 years of dictatorship?
Show threadWeraweltAug 18, 2025

@anne_twain @c_9

There was a dictatorship in Germany from 1933 to 1945.
During the GDR era, there was a party dictatorship, but that was only in East Germany, not in West Germany.
In this respect, there was a dictatorship in the whole of Germany from 1933 to 1945 before World War II—that's not 30 years, but 12 years.
https://www.bpb.de/kurz-knapp/lexika/lexikon-in-einfacher-sprache/249843/diktatur/

Diktatur

Diktatur bedeutet, dass eine Person oder eine kleine Gruppe von Menschen allein herrscht. So eine Gruppe kann zum Beispiel eine Partei sein. In einer Diktatur ist die Herrschaft der Person oder der Partei nicht begrenzt. Es gibt zum Beispiel keine

bpb.de
Show threadChookMother 🇦🇺🦘
@werawelt Thank you. I knew it wasn't 30-50 years. I wonder if it's true of any of the countries he lists. I notice @c_9 hasn't replied.
Aug 19, 2025 at 1:04amWeb
Show threadCameron MacLeodAug 19, 2025
@anne_twain @werawelt I didn’t write the article, and I’ve replied to multiple comments when I’ve had time. Please feel free to make your own posts on social media, rather than make insinuations about strangers.
Show threadChookMother 🇦🇺🦘Aug 19, 2025
@c_9 @werawelt Suggested alt "I apologise for posting an inaccurate article. Thank you for drawing my attention to the errors."
Show threadCameron MacLeodAug 19, 2025
@anne_twain @werawelt I agree the single line suggesting always 30+ years is an exaggeration. The replies have many different claims about most of the countries, many contradictory. I found it an interesting link to share and I’m glad it spurred discussion, because it’s telling me things i can learn more about. The responses are not however universally negative about specific facts, so the suggested alt response wouldn’t feel genuine to me. I don’t yet have reason to assume your responses alone are most correct, so I need to read up I guess!
Show threadChookMother 🇦🇺🦘Aug 20, 2025
@c_9 In the decades following WWll every aspect of the war was recounted, discussed, debated in all the media. I was born in 1952 so I grew up hearing a lot about it - it would have been hard not to. Younger people didn't have that background, I guess. Sometimes I forget how long I've been alive, and that things that seem like common knowledge to me, are in the deep dark past for younger generations.
Reading up on the rise of Franco, Hitler and Mussolini sounds like a good idea in the light of current world events. Democracy is fragile: it can so easily turn into something else.
Show threadCameron MacLeodAug 20, 2025
@anne_twain Absolutely agreed. We spend a lot of time educating our son on the darkness that is rising so he is better equipped to become an adult and survive it.