sunnieyou're not providing rule value
IncogniThis is how you get places like 4chan.
I’d rather have a place where everyone is nice and bigots get banned than have a “marketplace of ideas” where everyone is an asshole.
Really cool that you want your freedom of saying “I want to skin you alive” but what about my freedom of not having to get that said to me?
What about not having rules against certain words but against certain behaviours?
Fine by me.
To add to my original point: What OP says against corporate sanitization is true (e.g. weid Youtube monetization rules), but it’s also the exact same thing bigots say because they want to call people slurs. And I don’t want to give them what they want.
So you think slurs should be banned instead of bad behaviour?
If I can’t ask what a TERF if or discuss it, it’s stupid IMO. Weaseling in racism with ordinary words is, you know it, bad IMO.
No? Where did I say that? Bad behaviour should be banned, no matter what.
But in the current state (huge scale, algorithm based moderation only) this is not properly enforced already. My problem now is that if hyper violent language no longer gets you banned, bigots will use that and will get away with it too often. I’d rather not be able to call someone an asshole than getting called 50 slurs and then watch the algorithm do nothing about it.
You’re saying it again, “oh no we must ban bad words!!”.
Do you think hyper violent language does not fall under bad behaviour if it isn’t a transcript for example? Should hyper violent language be banned so that you can’t talk about it?
You’re just digging in.
No, the nuance is that I think that in the current state of social media, as shitty as it is, a blanket unbanning of bad words would be a net negative.
I do not think that bad words should be banned generally. In quotes/transcripts etc it should be fine. I know they currently aren’t and I agree that’s a problem. Also, of course, in small, self-moderated communities bad words are fine if everyone there is ok with that.
But OP isn’t arguing for that. They just argued that we should blindly add hyper-violent language (back) to the systems we currently have. And not only regarding transcriptions/etc. And I think that will lead to a way worse outcome that the current status quo.
Again, I do not think bad words in a transcription/quoting/discussing should be banned because that’s ridiculous. But, on large social media platforms, they should stay banned when being directed at individuals, because yes, calling Elon an asshole to his face is carthatic, but you are buying that freedom with the price of bigots calling everyone slurs. And I simply don’t think that’s worth it, nothing more.
The issues we face with capitalized social media can only be solved by forming smaller circles again. Not by adding slurs into the mix and hoping they will only benefit you and won’t make the place a miserable hellhole.