Your instance is probably one of the few who still federated with lemmygrad and hexbear as you described both these instances to a T. You can either block these instances or create an account with one of the numerous instances that have defederated from these absurd groups.

Got to keep that echo chamber sealed

Funny you say that considering hexbear had themselves sealed off from everyone else for several years.

I have no issue with people holding opposing viewpoints or perspectives, but I do have an issue with people acting as little more than mouthpieces for some authoritarian politicians. I see little difference between them and the MAGA sycophants who talk about the “great” things Donald Trump is doing.

Hexbear didn’t “have themselves sealed off,” r/chapotraphouse was banned for supporting John Brown, and then the sub went off and made chapo.chat, later Hexbear.net, as its own thing. Years later, they worked to integrate with Lemmy, and then the anti-communist instances like Lemmy.world defederated before Hexbear even started federating with them.

The fact that you fail to see a difference between MAGA and communists is more of a self-own than anything. Communists have strong, resolute views based on reading theory and (ideally) organizing in the real world and advocate for liberation of all peoples.

Hexbear didn’t "have themselves sealed off,

the sub went off and made chapo.chat, later Hexbear.net, as its own thing. Years later, they worked to integrate with Lemmy

So they went off and “made their own thing for years” but that doesn’t describe an echo chamber?

Instances didnt defederate from them for being communist. Lemmy.ml is run by communists and we’re obviously interacting now, no? They defederated from these groups because they’re obnoxious and disengenuous. They act like MAGA sycophants cosplaying as communists.

Communists can’t really create echo chambers, at least not in the west, because liberalism is inescapable in day to day life. Liberals can create echo-chambers (and do), because day to day life in the west is very pro-liberalism. Hexbear didn’t “seal themselves off,” they created a space where they wouldn’t be censored by liberals and fascists.

As for Lemmy.ml, it’s run by communists, but is also the main dev instance, so there’s a lot of instances that don’t want to fully isolate from the devs. That’s why I use it, actually, so I both don’t get censored for being a communist but can also speak with liberals that otherwise can’t see Hexbear.net or Lemmygrad.ml.

As for why Hexbear was defederated, Lemmy.world makes it clear that it’s an ideological incompatability:

The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:

• “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”

• “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”

• “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.

So yes, it was because Lemmy.world is anti-communist. Same with sh.itjust.works. It isn’t because of holding strong beliefs in communism, but because of the incompatability of communism with instances like Lemmy.world.

Communists can’t really create echo chambers, at least not in the west, because liberalism is inescapable in day to day life.

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We’re not talking about “the west” we’re talking about websites that transcend borders. This is disingenuous nonsense.

Liberals can create echo-chambers (and do), because day to day life in the west is very pro-liberalism.

Citation needed.

As for why Hexbear was defederated, Lemmy.world makes it clear that it’s an ideological incompatability:

Why have you written this information without providing a source for it? Is it because it was copied from directly inside said echo-chamber? Why focus solely on lemmy.world when they’re just one of many instances to defederate from them? More disingenuous nonsense.

Gee lets see you’re speaking about liberal propaganda, how terrible NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank are, how there’s an “imperial order” (the deep state) secretly running things behind the scenes and you still want to sit here claiming you don’t sound exactly like a MAGA Republican cosplaying as a communist.

It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

So dismantle and destroy modern society with no thought about what comes after? You’d think people who claim to be so deep into communism would have some sort of vision or idea for the world they want to create based on the principles of communism, yet here you admit there is no vision other than ‘destroying liberals’ and ‘destroying the west.’ See how quickly the facade of ‘communism’ falls apart under the slightest scrutiny?

All you’re left with is fascist messaging echoing the fascist propaganda coming from people like Trump, Putin, and Netanyahu. These ideas can’t stand on their own which is why hexbear users love to brigade posts, argue in bad faith, and derail every discussion with absurd memes and ad hominem attacks once anyone pokes the slightest hole in their logic because then they dont have to defend and indefensible position.

You’re simply using “communism” as a shield to both create a built-in ‘victim’ defense and to lure in naive new users to brainwash. This is no different than Christians claiming people are attacking them for having “Christian beliefs” while they try to remove rights to LGBT individuals. Hexbear literally uses this same exact tactic by pretending to be pro-LGBT while supporting the Trump and Putin regime who has or is moving toward making it a crime to be LGBT. Sorry, but adding an option to include your pronouns next to your username while championing a dictator who imprisons people for being LGBT and legally mandates ‘conversion therapy’ doesn’t make you guys “pro-LGBT.” You’re just targeting marginalized people to lure them into your cult to build numbers. Its no different than the QAnon people, the Manoshpere people, MAGA, or any other modern cult.

Websites transcend borders, sure, but the China hate is largely western.

I don’t think you need a citation to know that capitalism is the dominant economic structure in the west, and that therefore liberalism is dominant.

Here’s the source, I copied exactly from Lemmy.world’s admins. You could do 5 seconds of searching or waste all that time trying to call me out for some reason.

Marxist-Leninists are against imperialism, and by extension NATO and the IMF. You just added “deep state” and pretended that made it MAGA, lmao. Just say you don’t know any communists nor what communists advocate for.

As for dismantling imperialism, obviously that’s one step, the other step is socialist revolution and replacement with an economy run collectively. This is incredibly obvious to anyone even tangentially familiar with communist theory. There isn’t a “facade of communism,” the only “facade” is the idea that you should be taken seriously.

No, you don’t have fascism, you have fanfiction. You fundamentally have no clue what communists want, why, or how we want to get there. Hexbear isn’t supporting Trump, and we aren’t “pretending” to be LGBTQ+, I’m pansexual myself.

Fundamentally, you’re an anti-communist that lacks any and all knowledge of communism. Here’s a beginner Marxist-Leninist reading list, and here’s the Party Program for the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Read both. No investigation, no right to speak.

Websites transcend borders, sure, but the China hate is largely western.

Wait I thought we were talking about “communist hate” why are you now shifting the goalposts to “China hate?” If the west hates China so much, why do we all buy 90% of our merchandise from them?

I don’t think you need a citation to know that capitalism is the dominant economic structure in the west, and that therefore liberalism is dominant.

Capitalism is also the dominant economic structure of China and Russia which is why they have groups of oligarchs and billionaires running these countries while others live in crumbling huts and factory dormitories surrounded by suicide nets, yet youre a staunch defender of these policies despite them being wildly contradictory to your stated beliefs.

You could do 5 seconds of searching or waste all that time trying to call me out for some reason.

I can spend time blindly searching for the sources you’re using to defend your argument?

Now that you’ve actually provided your source, I’m curious why you omitted this whole section of the post giving numerous examples of hexbear and lemmygrad users violating rules and causing drama?

In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.

Here are some examples:

“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”

lemmy.world/comment/121850 lemmy.world/comment/1487168 lemmy.world/comment/1476084 lemmy.world/comment/171595 www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500

Overall community comments:

www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128 www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086 www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828

To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.

lemmygrad.ml/post/158656 lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559 lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170 lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529

Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.

We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.

With actual context, its clear why lemmy.world defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad. It’s not because of “communism” like you keep insisting with zero evidence, it’s because these two instances have zero intention of following rules, having honest discussions, making good faith arguments, and not trolling the rest of lemmy. They have every intention of proselytizing, making bad faith arguments, brigading, derailing discussions, and trolling the rest of lemmy. They’ve stated they’re waging a one-sided war against the rest of us.

Your argument here is akin to the KKK claiming they were excluded from the local middle school bake sale “because they’re Christian.” It’s an embarrassingly transparent farce of an argument.

Marxist-Leninists are against imperialism

And yet you guys support imperialist Russia during their invasion of a sovereign nation. You support imperialist China as they seize control of Tibet, Hong Kong, enslave Uyghurs, and set their sights on Taiwan. You guys support Israel’s imperialism against Gaza, the West Bank, Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Yemen.

As for dismantling imperialism, obviously that’s one step, the other step is socialist revolution and replacement with an economy run collectively.

Would you define China and Russia as existing within this framework?

This is incredibly obvious to anyone even tangentially familiar with communist theory. There isn’t a “facade of communism,” the only “facade” is the idea that you should be taken seriously.

These things do sound like communist ideals, however nobody from Hexbear or Lemmygrad are espousing these ideals and therein lies the rub and why I say you guys are just cosplaying as communists. If your stated ideals were more than just a facade, you wouldn’t hesitate to criticize “the east” for violating these ideals just the same. These ideals only seem to come in to play when you want to claim that you’re being persecuted. You’re simply using it as a crutch to spread hatred and bigotry.

Hexbear isn’t supporting Trump

Right, so you just have the same stated goals, support the same policies, and support the same people but you “don’t support him.” Funny how that works.

we aren’t “pretending” to be LGBTQ+, I’m pansexual myself.

And “Bob isn’t racist because he has a black friend.”

I never said they were “pretending to be LGBT” I said they’re “pretending to be pro-LGBT” so that they can target and recruit marginalized individuals just like every other cult in existence.

In recent years, China’s LGBTQ+ community has been swept up in the Chinese Communist party’s broader crackdown on civil society and freedom of expression. In May 2023, a well known LGBTQ+ advocacy group in Beijing announced it was closing due to “unavoidable” circumstances. Last February, two university students filed a lawsuit against the education ministry after they were punished for distributing rainbow flags on campus.

theguardian.com/…/its-difficult-to-survive-chinas…

Two employees of an LGBTQ+ club in the Russian city of Orenburg have been arrested on suspicion of being members of an “extremist organisation”.

It is the first criminal case of its kind since Russia’s Supreme Court outlawed the so-called “international LGBT movement” last November.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68615477

Why the unquestionable support for these two governments when they quite drastically contradict your stated beliefs and want to imprison you? Let me guess, you’re going to say that this is all “fake news from the radical liberal media” as if you took the words right out of Donald Trump’s mouth?

And yet you guys support imperialist Russia during their invasion of a sovereign nation.

Russia would become imperialist if it could, but it presently isn’t in a position to[1], and our “support” is very limited[2].

You support imperialist China as they seize control of Tibet, Hong Kong, enslave Uyghurs, and set their sights on Taiwan.

China is in no way imperialist[3], and we’ve gone over Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, and Taiwan a thousand times already[4][5], even in this very post.