@Strandjunker

The window closed when 11 million people who voted for Joe Biden in 2020 couldn’t be bothered to vote in 2024. Now everyone is up in arms because nobody bothered to read the writing on the wall that’s been there since 2016.

@HamonWry @Strandjunker

@benroyce is probably the best person to comment on this, but I'm not sure it's just that people "couldn't be bothered”. There was an epidemic of #ToxicIdealism spread perhaps primarily by the “G-n-c-d- Joe” brigade leading a non-trivial number to not vote as some sort of masochistic protest.

The left wing must, finally, learn the lesson:
Fight in the primaries, unite in the election

@mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

It's rather weird still encountering people, as I have recently, who think "teaching Democrats a lesson" is more important than {gestures broadly}

It's also extremely entitled

That the bad effects of the Trump administration won't affect them

(Or, rather than entitlement, extremely fucking stupid to think it won't effect them.)

@benroyce @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker I think it's much deeper than just idealism, having 2 choices and having to choose something you disagree with because the other option is... well, unacceptable is a rotten system.

We've seen how a two party system keeps shifting right. Eventually your options will be just far right or farther right.

@Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

yes but you have cause and effect backwards

it's not "this shifts right, so i won't participate"

it's "i'm not participating" and then as a consequence, things shift right

it's a feedback loop that accelerates

the only solution is more participation

you're never going to get perfect, it will always suck in some ways

but if you hold your nose and participate you can iterate on that and proceed left

in fact, that's the only way it will ever happen

@Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

100% no

clarification: i want 3rd parties

but to have them, we need ranked choice voting

currently in the usa we have an FPTP voting system

what that means is if we were to add a new 3rd left party, we divide the left, and we guarantee MAGA wins

we need ranked choice first. so we need to get candidates that support that

that has to come first. without that, we are guaranteeing failure

the left has to take over the democratic party

it is the only way

@benroyce @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

> we need ranked choice voting

False: see Israel. The country with the most parties in the world.

@lax @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

Which you get with ranked choice voting

Why are you lying about Israel using RCV?

@benroyce @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker I'm not???? What????

Why're you blaming me out of the blue? I explicitly said you DO NOT need RCV. you need coalitions instead of FPTP.

Israel has the most parties in the world DESPITE not being RCV.

@lax @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

"> we need ranked choice voting

False: see Israel"

😂

Just change the wording of your comment then. You have to admit it is a different meaning then what you're speaking now. I'll delete my comments after it

@lax @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

🤦‍♂️

Look I'm constantly not communicating my exact meaning and needing to clarify in order to not create a false impression. We all do. Im not attacking you I'm just saying what you wrote implies the opposite of your meaning. That's all. It's a simple fix to edit your comment

@benroyce @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker people thinking Israel = evil is their problem, not mine. If you hadn't assumed that...

*Well, it is my problem, but differently, lols.

@lax @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker

I'm not attacking you. Please just admit your wording was off. Whether Israel is utopia or hell or anything in between, that has nothing to do with the fact your wording made a wrong impression

That's it. That's all. That's the beginning and ending of what I'm saying to you

Also the issue is israel has proportional representation. We dont have that in the usa so we cant do multiparty. Our shit fptp means were stuck with two parties

@benroyce @Sh41 @mmalc @HamonWry @Strandjunker I'm not saying you attacked me.

All I'm saying is that my wording is clear.

My point was that RCV is not the only way to have lots of parties, and I made it.

People on fedi have the tendency to assume what Israel does is bad, and I'm not gonna change my wording to account for that, as a prencip.