faizalrMicrosoft Is Now Being Sued Over Sunsetting Windows 10
Microsoft Is Now Being Sued Over Sunsetting Windows 10 #microsoft #windows #windows10https://lifehacker.com/tech/microsoft-is-being-sued-over-sunsetting-windows-10
Looking into switching to Linux…
funkajunk 🇨🇦Do it.
If you have an old laptop, put Linux on it, get comfortable using it. Then when you are ready, make the full switch on your main computer.
I have used Linux for a few years mostly on my servers, but that’s what I did to get used to the desktop experience. I setup a second SSD to have the option of dual booting if I needed it. That was back in March and I haven’t booted into Windows once.
If not, look around, you can buy off-lease corporate laptops and ultra-small desktops that are just old enough to not support 11 for a song. They lack a GPU for good gaming, but they tend to be extremely well supported on Linux and are not slow. For the price of a Windows license, you can have something to learn on without effecting your main computer.
Yeah I tried. Turns out my fingerprint reader isn’t supported on Linux and never will be and my audio sounded like absolute trash. I probably could have have fixed the audio issue but the fingerprint thing turned me off. Went back to Windows 11 which works just fine for me.
themadcodgerSeconded on do it. It's a lot better than it was even a few years ago.
May you run into a nerd with a Ventoy USB full of beginner-friendly distros in their back pocket to help you along your journey.
There are at least two of us out there, I’m sure of it.
I keep a ventoy USB in my backpack at all times.
Currently I have mint popos endeavour cachy bazzite fedora opensuse. I’m thinking of adding a few more. Maybe add nixOS and Debian to the mix.
And a pack of condoms ?
What, for people to wear on their fingers to keep oil off or something?
megane-kunOr maybe just put Arch in that Ventoy USB. (Yeah, yeah, I use Arch, btw.)
HeliumOS, Kubuntu, Linux Mint (standard and Debian Edition), Pop!_OS, Ubuntu, VanillaOS, and Zorin OS here. Helium and Vanilla are not necessarily beginner-friendly but I use them in specific places.
LenaHehe same, I usually have an Ubuntu USB on me
I keep a keychain in my backpack for jusr such an ocassion!
Bought an iodd a few months ago to do my part 🫡
I’m the same, I’ve got a perfectly good desktop machine that isn’t Win11 compatible, as well as a Windows 11 laptop.
Most of what I do on the desktop is browser based, and I have the laptop in case I brick the desktop, so nothing to lose by trying.
Ironically, if I’d been able to upgrade to 11, there’s no way I’d bother with any of this.
You can upgrade to 11, nothibgs stopping you.
But it is far smarter to quit with the abusive, and spying, environment.
Linux is easy and works.
As someone who recently made the switch, DM me if there’s anything I can help with. A lot of the Linux Bros on here will be completely unhelpful out of smug superiority. Also, if you have an HP, you will almost certainly have to do a LOT more work (I had to learn to edit GRUB config files pre-startup). It will be much easier if you don’t have an HP. Anyway, open offer. Also, do Linux Mint.
As someone who recently made the switch, DM me of there’s anything I can help with. A lot of the Linux Bros on here will be completely unhelpful out of smug superiority. Also, if you have an HP, you will almost certainly have to do a LOT more work (I had to learn to edit GRUB config files pre-startup). It will be much easier if you don’t have an HP. Anyway, open offer. Also, do Linux Mint.
I’m in the process of switching myself. Threw Ubuntu Studio on my laptop (Samsung Galaxy Book3 Ultra) and I’m currently testing for audio and music production to see if I can make the switch on my main PC for work. I’m loving it so far, though it’s looking like a step back for audio production unfortunately. That being said, where there’s a will there’s a way!
It’s much easier to install Linux these days than it is to install Windows. And with KDE Plasma the user experience is really similar. As for the distribution I would suggest OpenSuse as that has very little requirement for terminal commands, they’ve packaged GUI elements in the whole distro.
As for Tumbleweed vs regular, that’s up to you. I’m happy with Tumbleweed.
I’m happy with Tumbleweed too, but I Max need to point out that the documentation kinda sucks and the community is kind of small. If you’re confident in applying documentation from other distros, you’ll be fine.
I generally recommend Linux Mint to new users because the community is large and accustomed to helping new users, and you can use documentation for Ubuntu and Debian generally without issue.
Check out openSUSE once you figure out what you like and don’t like about Linux distros, it’s a great end game IMO.
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Its a fun fantasy but Microsofts pockets are eay too deep to lose to some avarage joe.
Also they can be exempt from the law by gifting donnie and co gold, or initiating “christian friendly initiatives”.
ripcordLol who downvoted this
mycodesucksHe’d probably have an easier time with the lawsuit if instead of appealing to upgrade logic, he just went with, I don’t know…
THE TIME MICROSOFT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED WINDOWS 10 WOULD BE THE LAST NUMBERED VERSION AND THAT THEY’D NEVER NEED TO UPGRADE OS VERSION AGAIN.
It’s a free upgrade. Bitching about the version is insane. It was a marketing change they turned around on. It still meant you get a free upgrade which used to cost money.
Not if your PC doesn’t support some arbitrary requirements. I can’t upgrade because of the TPM requirement. There are ways to get around it. But at the same time Windows 11 isn’t really something I want to upgrade to. It’s got a bunch of crap I don’t need or want. Not that Windows 10 didn’t. Windows 11 is just worse and I’ve drawn a line.
I have to use Windows 11 for work so I know what I’m missing. Nothing. Well, the screenshot button being mapped to the snipping tool is nice. But there is already a shortcut for the snipping tool.
TPM isn’t arbitrary, it’s the path to a new from of CPU embedded, digital rights management that will marry your software to your cpu and make it non-transferable. The end goal being some successor of pluton where all code you download is encrypted and you can’t ever see it.
You won’t be able to jailbreak your PC in the future, just like 99% of smartphones.
You can’t jailbreak phones?
No, it used to be a thing but not anymore. I have a bunch of android 9 phones and I tried, while there are proof of concept exploits that in theory could allow me to gain root access to my own phones, due to “safety reasons” the security research community no longer provides working prototypes.
Which really means that they are only for sale on the exploit market which I, as an individual cannot even access, not that I could afford these intelligence agency tooling.
So my phones are technically no longer “safe” to use and I would have to buy new ones, but also I cannot jailbreak them to use them for something else (in my case, as a simple wireless camera)
There are a few phones, less than 1% of all phones, which the manufacturer will allow you to unlock the bootloader and obtain root privileges. This privilege often costs 1000$-1500$ for what is the performance of a 300$ phone.
But that is not a jailbreak, that is an permitted privilege granted by to you by the manufacturer.
Of course, since almost no one can access root on their phones, the development of any non-sanctioned software has slowed to a crawl with most android rom projects dying outright.
So the point of my comment is that this dynamic will be slowly made the norm for the Personal Computer.
I had no idea, I always assumed it’s possible but breaks banking and ID apps
When you actually jailbreak a phone, which is when you don’t ask permission from the guy who sold you the phone, there are ways to have root access that is undetectable by any normal means. Ideally no application should be able to tell anything that you don’t want to know. Want to have root and stuff don’t break, they just shouldn’t know.
Absolute nonsense 🤣
Hail the corporate god! Repent, for the end of Windows 10 is near!
Judging from your username, you also like those built-in AI features.
No, just an understanding how a court room works.
His response had nothing to do with a courtroom you negative IQ weirdo
Let me quote the literal first line in this thread.
!He’d probably have an easier time with the lawsuit if instead of appealing to upgrade logic, he just went with, I don’t know…!<
Boy you look foolish 🤣
Cool now try reading his response, which was about upgrading and not the courtroom. I am clearly dealing with a lesser evolved being without reading comprehension skills
Win 11 is a downgrade with forced ms accounts, more ads, more distractions (tabloid “news”, weather, more ads, Microsoft own product ads) added to task bar, edge and notifications. On an OS I already paid money for!
And? What does that have to do with a lawsuit? You’re going to go into court and argue that? It’s amazing how hard it is for some to stay on topic.
Dude I just listed some of the reasons WHY people want to keep on win10, and try to avoid being forced onto 11 - hence the lawsuit.
You’re the one coming in here with some bullshit argument. Nobody was complaining about the price of the upgrade until you came along and went off topic.
KairuByteNixon wasn’t speaking authoritatively there, I believe both he and M$ clarified that. And the “correlating” announcement was more “we will be continuously updating windows 10” unlike the assumed by many people to mean “perpetually” which is just silly.
You’re telling me you expected windows 10 to remain forever the last Windows version? Maybe if they decided to rename the OS moving forward.
I suppose you could take the stance of it just becoming versioned in the same way Linux distros are, but then you just get left being on an old version of Windows 10.
No, I didn’t expect that, which is why it was stupid to say it in the first place. You can’t turn this around and put it on the customer to have to read between the lines what the business is trying to actually say. How about, the multi-billion dollar company that has entire buildings full of lawyers doesn’t make claims that it can’t back up?
I’m not saying it’s right to expect that the Windows operating system was never going to have to have a paid upgrade again, but it was also stupid and wrong to make the claim that it wouldn’t. That’s on them. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to lie to their customers and then later claim they didn’t mean it. And furthermore, why are you taking it upon yourself to clean up their mess for them? You think if you were in trouble because of something stupid you said, Microsoft is going to come to your aid? Is it being fair? To company that wouldn’t care if they accidentally bankrupted you with a forced update?
Again, an employee speaking off the cuff in an unofficial way isn’t “the company making claims.”
If this was the janitorial staff, would you have taken them at their word? An intern who waddled on stage? Granted Nixon had a little more authority within the company than either of those individuals, but he was by no means in a position that anyone paying attention would take his word on this particular statement.
The issue here is that the media took this “random” employees word as gospel and without getting clarification ran with dozens of “ThiS Is tHe lASt vErSIoN oF wINdOwS!” clickbait articles. All fact checking thrown out the window, no proper follow up. They just spun an entire story out of his off the cuff statement.
“perpetually” which is just silly.
That’s basically how Linux works, especially if you use a rolling release distro like Arch, openSUSE Tumbleweed, or Fedora Silverblue.
Honestly, if Windows followed a similar policy, I think people would be less interested in alternatives. Perhaps charge for access to new features, drop support for older hardware, etc, but let people keep using it if they like it.
There’s nothing that would change here other than the name of what’s installed. People would still be unable to update to the new version.
nullSon of a bitch, your profile pic got me blowing on my screen.
Nice work.
communismThat wasn’t legally binding.
That was advertised.
I doubt that would hold up in court as false advertising given the significant time gap between them marketing Win 10 that way and them releasing Win 11.
To be fair, win 11 is more or less win 10 just with a shittier UI and even more intrusive bullshit.
Because MS went back on their promise that Win10 would be the last, you can no longer trust anything they say.
No, they never did. Yes, it was all over the news, but they literally didn’t. Go be angry at media for making stuff up. You don’t have to believe me, go ahead and find that announcement yourself. You won’t because there was never such an announcement.
Notice how even the article you linked doesn’t give a full quote? It just quotes someone saying “last version” without any context of the sentence it was used in? I will give you the full quote where that comes form. Someone asked a Microsoft employee what they are currently working on, and the answer was:
”Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”
It is obvious from context “last version” meant “latest version” here. And that misreading of a quote, conveniently not included in most articles, is the only source for all these news. No announcement. No journalist actually asking Microsoft about it. Just a fleeting comment by one Microsoft employee that obviously meant something else, in an answer about something else, but why let that get in the way of a good story.
The company said it had yet to decide on what to call the operating system beyond Windows 10.
And the exact same article you linked confirms Microsoft is still deciding on the name for the next Windows? Which would make no sense if there was no next Windows?
“There will be no Windows 11,” warned Steve Kleynhans, a research vice-president at analyst firm Gartner.
There will be no Windows 11, says some guy who doesn’t work at Microsoft.
And then a bunch of cherry picked quotes about continous updates being a good thing. Yep, continous updates, just like we got in Windows Vista, and that have nothing to do with there not being new Windows versions.
Modern journalism is useless.
It’s really not hard to find the original statement from Microsoft, which was made by a Microsoft employee.
At the 2015 Ignite conference, Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon stated that Windows 10 would be the “last version of Windows”, a statement reflecting the company’s intent to apply the software as a service business model to Windows, with new versions and updates to be released over an indefinite period.[68][69][70] In 2021, however, Microsoft announced that Windows 10 would be succeeded on compatible hardware by Windows 11—and that Windows 10 support will end on October 14, 2025, marking a departure from what had been dubbed “Windows as a service”.[71][72]
Did you even read my comment?