chobeatAI Is a Total Grift
AI has some legit uses but the hype around it is mostly VC’s throwing money at buzzwords while the actual tech is nowhere near the “AGI revolution” they keep promising us lol.
SundrayA machine learning suite that spends hour after hour screening trillions of potentially medically useful molecules = kind of interesting.
A subscription to a chatbot that writes buggy code that has to be meticulously combed over before you dare put it into production, and might wind up appearing in Google search results = awful, but it’s what’s selling for some reason?
[deleted] in lemmyThe latter isn’t even selling, just used because it is free to use or they jammed it into an existing ecosystem like Copilot.
The former isn’t “kind of interesting” and there are lots and lots of daily use cases solved by AI that are much much more than “kind of interesting”.
What a simple way to try to downplay it by calling it only kind of interesting.
The former is important, but attracts little attention from the tech & mainstream press, is not heavily marketed by major corporations to other corporations and the general public, and makes VCs fall asleep. Whereas the latter gets ALL the coverage, marketing, and gives VCs big fat boners. My comment expresses my bewilderment at this state of affairs (hence the “for some reason?”). You want to white-knight machine learning, expert systems and pattern recognition? Call VentureBeat, Andressen-Horowitz, PitchBook, and TechCrunch. And while you’re at it, tell them to stop vaporizing genAI slop.
Sure, I’m just hoping smart people can see through the bullshit and call it out instead of treating all “AI” the same.
hansoloHow does this differ from most other things VCs throw money at?
cough cough crypto cough
The crap they’re promoting it for also showcases the direction they’re developing it for which is an utterly depressing, unsustainable and impractical one. It’s frustrating to see how much money is invested (and ultimately burned) to actively destroy the economy and create problems rather than fixing some.
This. Everybody wanted it to be AGI right out of the gate. It’s just a tool, like Photoshop. It will get better over time but it’s not the end all be all.
But can we at least be thankful that it shifted focus from augmented reality? Prior to AI, the buzz was around things like the metaverse and digital avatars in your teams meetings.
Even crap AI is more useful than avatars in teams.
IDK, at least that was useful for gaming etc. AI is mostly about eliminating jobs
What’s currently being marketed as AI proves that there’s always someone who can do your job worse for cheaper
I’m just waiting for the “cheaper” part to change. Surely these VC’s will want to see some ROI on the stupid amount of money these hosted models cost. There’s no way the subscription fees being charged cover the actual cost of running the models, so something will have to give eventually
SpookyBogMonsterDigital Avatars in teams arent actively destructive to the internet, the environment, and people’s grasp on reality.
I think you’re universalising a personal grievance, without fully accounting for the impacts of Metaverse bullshit, which was never practical or feasible to begin with, and the AI Apocalypse sweeping the internet
Well, I was trying to bring a little humor to the conversation by just saying at least as a silver lining is that this other stupid crap is gone now.
If the AI “revolution” never came, I bet a thread just like this one would exist for metaverse or whatever saying how it’s destroying the internet. And think about it, entering an entire world just to hold this conversation where all users are known and conversations recorded…kind of like AI scraping.
You can see his it could get just as bad or worse. Hint: its not the technology that’s the problem, its the companies behind them - those wouldn’t be any different.
I’m not trying to downplay AI, I’m just being realistic of the world we live in and trying to not be so doom and gloom every second of the day.
Every tech buzzword is a grift to try to rationalize endless exponential growth in a world where that’s just impossible
“Use our AI!”
“Hmm… I don’t know.”
“If you use AI you can fire all your employees 🤞 .”
“GIMMEE! GIMMEE! I’LL PAY ANY PRICE! I HATE EMPLOYEES SOO MUCH!”
two.months later
“Why is everything broken?”
artyomI read this as "gift" the first time haha
Same 😅
Well not exactly but completely misunderstood.
Everyone who actually knows about AI is familiar with the alignment and takeoff problems.
(Play this if you need a quick summary
www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html
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So whenever someone says, we are making AI, the response should be “oh fuck no” (using bullets and fire if required)
New tagging and auto-completion is fine (there is probably a whole space of new tools that can come out of the AI research field; that doesn’t risk human extinction)
wizardbeardWe are so far away from a paperclip maximizer scenario that I can’t take anyone concerned about that seriously.
We have nothing even approaching true reasoning, despite all the misuse going on that would indicate otherwise.
Alignment? Takeoff? None of our current technologies under the AI moniker come anywhere remotely close to any reason for concern, and most signs point to us rapidly approaching a wall with our current approaches. Each new version from the top companies in the space right now has less and less advancement in capability compared to the last.
I agree currently technology is extremely unlikely to achieve general intelligence but my expression was that we never should try to achieve AGI; it is not worth the risk until after we solve the alignment problem.
“alignment problem” is what CEOs use as a distraction to take responsibility away from their grift and frame the issue as a technical problem. That’s another word that make you lose any credibility
I think we are talking past each other. Alignment with human values is important; otherwise we end up with a paper clip optimizer wanting humans only as a feedstock of atoms or deciding to pull a “With Folded Hands” situation.
None of the “AI” companies are even remotely interested in or working on this legitimate concern.
Unfortunately game theory says we’re gonna do it whenever it’s technologically possible.
Only for zero sum games
The worry about “Alignment” and such is mostly a TESCREAL talking point (look it up if you don’t know what that is, I promise you’ll understand a lot of things about the AI industry).
It’s ridiculous at best, and a harmful and delirious distraction at worst.
It is also a task all good parents do; make sure the lives that they created don’t grow up to be murders or rapists or racists and treat others with kindness and consideration.
See? You’re still seeing AI as if it was human or if it was comparable to a human, and that’s the issue. Would you make the same statement about… Idk, cloud computing of photo editing tools? AI is just a technology, it does not “grow” into anything by itself and it’s neither good or bad intentioned, and that’s because it does not have any intentions
If it can’t grow by itself, it is not general purpose artificial intelligence. It would be an overly complicated elevator control system and making its behavior deterministic and simple to reason about would enable it to be used to solve problems in industrial processes safely.
Think SHRDLU.
MelonYellowUnrelated, but what’s the difference between grift vs. scam? Internet search seems to give me the same definitions.
Is it just that grifts are personal, while scams are impersonal (like phone/internet scams)?
That’s a good question actually. Could it be it’s a “lie vs. untruth” situation where grift is just a nicer word for what’s obviously a huge scam? In that case we should probably use “scammer” a lot more than “grifter”.
BroadfernWhen I think of a scam, I think a one-off, obviously amateur attempt. An email with awful grammar saying the government will fine me a bajillion dollars if I don’t download a file is a scam. A scam will also leave you alone.
A grift is done by career slimeballs. Used car salesmen, big C-suites and corrupt politicians are grifters. It’s more offensive and more aggressive. You can’t escape a grift.
Hmm, yeah that’s helpful! So maybe if I think of grifting as more of a lifestyle, as in done by con artists.
Not sure of an official difference, but my take is a grift is something that everyone’s kind of doing on the DL, but nobody is admitting that it’s a scam.
Think like a cult. Everyone’s a part of the cult, but nobody actually wants to believe they’re getting scammed or scamming others, so it’s more of a grift. People assume what they’re doing can’t last/sustain, but they do it anyway because the benefits are good.
A scam is straight up the party knowing it’s illegitimate and going out of their way to execute the scam so they can benefit at the expense of others.
Basically, I’ve always taken it as one is self aware (scam) and one is only self-aware at the top levels (grift).
But this is all just in my head.
No fucking shit.
chatbots like gpt and gemini learn from conversations with veiwers, so what we need is a virus that will pretend to be a user and flood its chats with pro racism arguments and sexist remarks, which will rub off on the chatbots making them unacceptable for public use
Been there. Done that
Yeah. GROK and Twitter have entered the chat. Seriously though, we’ve regressed pretty far in what the general. Public deems acceptable.
what did you do?
How do models learn from conversations with users?
they look at your speech patterns and the specific words you use to make the way they talk seem more familiar, remember when twitter launched its own ai that would post tweets and learn from other posts, they had to take it down after about 15 hours because it became super racist and homaphobic
Training LLMs based on tweets is one thing, training it on chats with users is something completely different. I don’t think this actually happens. The model would degrade extremely fast.
your right im pretty sure i got that mixed up, sorry!
So, just like actual users?
it would be easier to automate the process instead of using real people
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)
You’re thinking it would require effort or coordination on the part of real people, instead of it being default behaviour for some
Nope, they mostly learn during training
hmmmm damn alright
well duh, much like CRYPTO was a grift/ponzi scheme, after it crashed people started looking for th next big thing, it was AI.
So is the article, absolutely zero credibility on an unknown author. Author didnt exist prior to this article. Yall cheering a ghost
I’ve met the author IRL. He’s quite famous in his niche