Anil DashThere could not be a more opportune time to make a competitor to GitHub, especially one grounded in community and accountability. Git was not meant to be centralized; “pull requests” are not actually an open standard and throwing code over the wall at others is not actually social coding.
Jan Lehnardt 
@anildash you didn’t ask but Codeberg/Forgejo exist and are already an alternative, if not the fully realised decentralisation story just yet, they’ll get there ✌️
Katerina Marchán@janl @anildash I've started using Codeberg in earnest and it's legit really good. tbh the only parts that are really lacking are the CI story (Codeberg doesn't have a massive amount of free resources to burn money on), and PRs aren't federated (yet! They're actively working on it! You'll eventually be able to, say, send PRs from Codeberg forks to Gitlab upstreams!)
xyhhx 🔻
Hazel Weakly@zkat @xyhhx @janl @anildash Right, and that makes sense. Solving this would be an astronomical problem because the only solution we’ve really figured out before is “infinity dollars from magic money” shaped. Or closed compute under a nonprofit funding structure.
Getting the latter setup is not trivial and many projects simply can’t afford it. Which sucks, but I don’t think a straightforward solution exists
@hazelweakly @xyhhx @janl @anildash I mean.
You can just pay for things.
I'm ok paying for things.
Tons of open source devs can scrape together a few greenbacks to pay for CI.
I think it's important to renormalize paying for shit that's worth money, rather than expecting everything to be free. lol
@zkat @xyhhx @janl @anildash Oh for sure, I’m not against that at all. Things should cost money and magic externalities don’t work.
But I don’t think a lot of projects are prepared for the sticker shock of finding out how much their free GitHub CI compute costs. Also much of our CI and build systems infrastructure over the last decade have optimized for stateless computational waste because it was all free. Fixing that isn’t trivial and the ripple effects might be fairly large. We’ll see!
But yes, I’m okay with paying for things. I just think a lot of people are gonna have sticker shock when they see the price tag of that :)
@hazelweakly @zkat @xyhhx @janl I can say with a lot more authority than most that many people really, really do not have a good grasp of how much compute costs at scale. Folks take for granted the massive amount of subsidy that is happening across the industry for a whole host of ordinary developer tasks.
@anildash the "at scale" part is the problem. people got spoiled with github marketplace (which, frankly, is a supply chain security nightmare)
m gonna say it again: people can run their own runners on a community instance for like <$10/mo - or hell, use sourcehut at $2/mo. the vast majority of what people are doing can be achieved with a few shell scripts
Kevin P. Fleming@hazelweakly @zkat @xyhhx @janl @anildash This part is really important. Entire generations of developers learned that it doesn't matter if your CI jobs are wasteful because it was all free.
Eliot Lash@zkat you can have org-wide or project-wide runners as well for those too. setting up a runner is exceedingly easy, honestly
and even codeberg's instance runners are enough more often than not
the real thing forgejo lacks imo is job summaries. you could probably try to work around this with a bot account but then you really start broaching on "you should consider hosting your own instance"