I read this article today and quite liked it

https://www.drewlyton.com/story/the-future-is-not-self-hosted/

An analogy came to mind when reading it: if the cloud is feudalism, self hosted is sustenance farming.

Sustenance farming… Well, it sucks, it’s brutal, it’s awful. No wonder people want centralized infrastructure! Groceries aren’t a concept in sustenance farming, neither is something like “food sensitivities”—you just die or accept the feudalism because you have no other choice.

Some people happen to like sustenance farming and the idea of living fully off the grid! But they’re not normal. That’s fine, but it’s not workable for most people and carries an enormous amount of unstated privilege. For example: the person in the article casually buying a server and dropping a few thousand dollars on it, setting up several complicated systems in it, and “only” spending a few weeks of free time doing so? Privileged. Fun hobby if you like that, though!

The bad part, in my opinion, is that our only choices are currently techno fascism… Or the sustenance farming that killed almost everyone who attempted it. That’s not a great set of choices and it doesn’t have to be like that.

I liked the reference to community clouds in the ending of the article. It reminded me very much of Common Pool Resources that Elinor Ostrom talks about, or the emergent strategy of adrienne marie brown. I need to read more Ursula Franklin, but I suspect her writing is right at home here too.

I’d like to live in a world where communities uplift and support each other and are able to do so. I’m doing my best to help make that a reality, even if I’ve had to spend the last year or two putting my own mask on first :)

The Future is NOT Self-Hosted

In a world where corporations have detached buying from owning, one man attempts to do something radical: build his own cloud.

Drew Lyton
@hazelweakly article didn't mention nextcloud?
@xameer @hazelweakly Why would it? The point the article is making is that maintaining a hardware, OS and software stack is a huge time suck, even for those with the requisite skill set. Attaching it to the internet is even worse. Fine as a hobby, but most people have *other* hobbies and just want to get stuff done. Nextcloud, Plex, Jellyfind or Tailscale. Doesn't matter - the underlying point is the same.
@richh @hazelweakly fair enough , then they need not complain or care, as electoral polls re swung , they re racially profiles, their speech is curbed when they need it most ( like in a judicial trial) , as their electricity bills rise, as air gets harder to breath and roads flood or law doesn't deliver to name a few, I mean one can't take the world the way it is for granted
But I agree that not everyone has a need to care , so long as the harm doesn't come.
This is just for the view that prevention is better than cure

@xameer @hazelweakly

What on earth are you talking about? The article points out that self-hosting is skill-intensive and financially expensive (relative to signing up for Gmail). And your 4-word considered response is "aRtIcLe DiDn'T mEnTiOn NeXtClOuD?"

Nextcloud is great. It's also not the topic of discussion. You've utterly missed the point. Nextcloud does not - on it's own - help a person working two jobs and doing childcare. It's just software.

@richh @hazelweakly I was also thinking about *hobbies*, but like I said I am not generalizing. I am saying the culture of self hosting need remain , by some section of devs , if they can afford to do it wo much hassle.
So that that the awareness about the choice or option stays and people can chose that as and one get s a chance, when they think they should do it.
Instead of just wondering what to do about the possible situation one is concerned one can end up being in.
Not everyone is aware, take teachers or journalists for example teaching or creating online, those who might want and can afford need know