ThefuzzyFurryComradeOn Exceptions
ArbitraryValueAre people expected not to follow anyone they disagree with?
Why would you follow someone you disagree with?
rnerclewhy would you follow someone you agree with?
if you want to learn, you search discord.
if you want to learn, you search discord.
Searching Discord is precisely the opposite of learning. You lose knowledge every second spent on Discord.
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:) i can’t know, i’m not a discord user. Apparently i prefer “losing knowledge” on lemmy
if you want to learn, you search discord.
This is why when learning guitar I looked up guitar lessons and then looked for people who didn’t believe learning to play guitar was possible at all and the abilities instead were based upon innate talent and genetics! /s
Seriously, if learning was done by discord, then US politics (and cable news viewers) would be full of absolute scholars, instead of, you know, the exact fucking opposite of that.
guitar example does not work :/
politicians are not genuine in their discourses. Most are there for profit and they say things that even they don’t believe in 🤷
Why would listening to two sides of this help you learn anything? Hearing double the lies will teach you nothing.
after your comment, i went back to the top of this post and started reading all the comnents. It’s very interesting to read the arguments from many sides and see the nuances some people bring to the conversation.
That isn’t all discord.
Relatedly, if you think social media threads are a great way to learn stuff I don’t know what to tell you other than maybe try picking up a book and see if there’s a difference there.
too many assumptions, but thank you anyway
This was pretty discordant, you learn anything from this exchange? 😆
late reply to your question is, no. OP who is also a mod on this community started arbitrarily deleting my replies, which shows that the discussion here is not genuine and it’s altered to serve mod’s beliefs.
i was listening to this, which made me think of this thread: The Gray Area with Sean Illing: Stop comparing yourself to AI
Episode webpage: www.vox.com/vox-conversations-podcast
Media file: www.podtrac.com/pts/…/VMP8317922785.mp3?updated=1…
The Gray Area
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MudManAI is whatever, but man, has social media been mind poison.
I say we burn it all down, honestly. Including this place.
Coming up with a genuinely original idea is a rare skill, much harder than judging ideas is. Somebody who comes up with one good original idea (plus ninety-nine really stupid cringeworthy takes) is a better use of your reading time than somebody who reliably never gets anything too wrong, but never says anything you find new or surprising. Alyssa Vance calls this positive selection – a single good call rules you in – as opposed to negative selection, where a single bad call rules you out. You should practice positive selection for geniuses and other intellectuals.
I think about this every time I hear someone say something like “I lost all respect for Steven Pinker after he said all that stupid stuff about AI”. Your problem was thinking of “respect” as a relevant predicate to apply to Steven Pinker in the first place. Is he your father? Your youth pastor? No? Then why are you worrying about whether or not to “respect” him? Steven Pinker is a black box who occasionally spits out ideas, opinions, and arguments for you to evaluate. If some of them are arguments you wouldn’t have come up with on your own, then he’s doing you a service. If 50% of them are false, then the best-case scenario is that they’re moronically, obviously false, so that you can reject them quickly and get on with your life.
pinker is a very bad guy and we should not be lionizing him for any reason
Steven Pinker is a black box who occasionally spits out ideas, opinions, and arguments for you to evaluate. If some of them are arguments you wouldn’t have come up with on your own, then he’s doing you a service. If 50% of them are false, then the best-case scenario is that they’re moronically, obviously false, so that you can reject them quickly and get on with your life.
Yes. And. The worst-case scenario is: the black box is creating arguments deliberately designed to make you believe false things. 100% of the arguments coming out of it are false - either containing explicit falsehoods, or presenting true facts in such a way as to draw a false conclusion. If you, personally, cannot reject one of its arguments is false, it’s because you lack the knowledge rhetorical skill to see how it is false.
I’m sure you can think of individuals and groups whom this applies to.
(And there’s the opposite issue. An argument that is correct, but that looks incorrect to you, because your understanding of the issue is limited or incorrect already.)
The way to avoid this is to assess the trustworthiness and credibility of the black box - in other words, how much respect to give it - before assessing its arguments. Because if your black box is producing biased and manipulative arguments, assessing those arguments on their own merits, and assuming you’ll be able to spot any factual inaccuracies and illogical arguments, isn’t objectivity. It’s arrogance.