adison verliceJul 30, 2025
@nick @kkarhan For privacy come the best way to not comply is to not have any data to give. From what I've noticed it seems delta isn't exactly able to do that unlike signal. Signal was able to hand over piii that you wouldn't want hand it over. And don't get me started on so-called child safety. If the US thinks it's a great idea to subpoena signal for child safety they absolutely could. They have expressed the willingness to violate their own laws come or make agreements with other countries so they don't even have to violate their own laws they can just have another country do it for them. So what makes you think That they won't do that either?
Show threadKevin Karhan 

@adisonverlice @nick precisely.

  • Whereas @delta couldn't hand over any data even if they wanted to and since it's #FLOSS any attempts at i.e. hardcoding a #backdoor or #blocking domains would be trivial to detect and undo by virtue of #forking.

  • Whereas with @signalapp one has to rely on @Mer__edith et. al.'s promise that the code they release - regardless if app but espechally backend - is the code they run.

Which is doubtful at best aka. "#TrustMeBro!" - level of guarantee…

  • Also #Signal's business is unsustainable as unlike @monocles they don't recoup operational costs from their users but act as #VCmoneyBurningParty, and that will inevitaboy backfire…
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Show threadadison verliceJul 30, 2025
@kkarhan @nick @delta @signalapp @Mer__edith @monocles Yeah. End signal requires internet to run. Which means if you are in the threat model where you want to make your own air gap messaging system for whatever reason you can't. Which is not possible. India. Venture India. Venture capitals aren't that great. I guess they're great if you really really really really need a head start. But often you have to do whatever virtual capital tells you to do. Or whatever it's called. It should be donation based. Not based on adventure capital
Show threadKevin Karhan Jul 30, 2025

@adisonverlice @nick well, since @delta is based on #eMail it can be deployed in a uucp-based, #airgapped #Sneakernet...

  • Cuz smuggling some high-cap data drives works great and is being used around the globe.

It's how Rimjin-gang sources can communicate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet

UUCP - Wikipedia

Show threadadison verliceJul 30, 2025
@kkarhan @nick @delta No I'm talking about signal. I'm very specifically mentioning signal. But we can apply this to other things too like whatsapp. They want to have this used in markets like Iran and china and Russia. But they're doing it so wrong that it's laughable. Sneaker net is something that's not usable in this case because it needs internet connection. OK you could argue that the proxy server you can run connect from other IPS so OK. In that regard sure. But even for the 1st initial steps. Good luck with that! It requires you to give it a phone number
Show threadKevin Karhan Jul 30, 2025

@adisonverlice @nick Personally, I think that @signalapp is just a #Honeypot like #ANØM:

  • Cuz the lack of consequences re: rampant (by vortue of being statistically inevitable!) abuse lets me believe they have their shit backdoored jist for "compliance" reason...

If @Mer__edith / #Signal were pro-#privacy they'd not demand a #PhoneNumber to begin with or expect people to have cameras in their Android devices...