Ricky RigatoniAnon is Illiterate
IlovethebombI can’t read without pictures!
And I think it’s wrong that people expect me to!
Ancient Egyptians be like:
grrgyleActually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.
As someone who has never been a big book reader (though I read tech manuals and news articles), I finally figured out I probably have aphantasia. This finally connected a lot of dots for me.
Do you enjoy graphic novels?
Not really, they just never felt entertaining to me. Most of my family members are big readers, I’m just the oddball.
as a reader and writer with aphantasia, it’s literally never once mattered to me. i love a good fantasy and just don’t consider visualizing an obligate part of the experience. though i could definitely understand how it might be helpful
That’s great to hear. And for what it’s worth while I can imagine simple images, I don’t usually while I’m reading. I just sort of understand what’s happening in a non-visual way.
yeah exactly. i find it really interesting how some people just can’t separate understanding a text from internally picturing it. it makes me wonder if there’s some legitimate difference in information processing, or if people who can visualize tend to associate understanding with imagining even if they’re actually unrelated
Yeah… actually now that you mention it, it almost seems like it would be challenging, or at least distracting, if you’re using images for concept processing. And what about really nebulous concepts–do people try to come up with visual graphs of interconnected symbols?
So interesting to discover that how we perceive the world is so much more different than I thought. Such richness, just hiding behind the eyes of the people around us!
I had to search it to understand the post. Well, that’s a weird name to describe a normal book for children.
I had a coworker approach me on break and start telling me about a book he was reading and how much he was enjoying it. Towards the end, he mentioned struggling with it and that he wished someone had told him how great reading was earlier. We were both damn near 30, and it was a YA novel. I resisted the asshole urge to roast him because, shit, at least he’s trying?
Not only is he trying, he laments not learning better when he was younger. Great self-awareness, and taking ownership today.
Very true. Hopefully, he still enjoys reading today.
And now you get to recommend him all the good stuff he missed!
He is an obese man in the gym. Literally nothing more admirable than someone improving themselves.
Exactly! And not just doing it, but sticking to it AND vulnerably admitting to struggling.
If only more people could do it.
My spouse always says, you don’t mock a sick person in hospital, why mock someone who is working to improve other aspects of themselves.
I had a friend tell me that she didn’t learn to read until she was like eight. Ya never really know where people come from. All of our lives are so different.
I wasn’t capable of reading completely on my own until I was nine years old. I also made top grades in all of my college English classes. Where you start doesn’t necessarily dictate where you’ll end up, especially if you enjoy an activity as much as I enjoyed reading.
MicrowI dont think that is considered particularly late here in central europe. Yes, kids should be able to read properly at 6, but a lot of them don't.
That doesn’t sound too bad considering more than half of Americans (regardless of age) reads below 6th grade level. At 8 you should still be able to overtake most grownup Americans in reading skills.
BoxscapeStruggling how though?
If they were struggling with the vocabulary, then that might be roastable.
But if they meant, e.g., struggling with the themes, that might be understandable. YA books sometimes tackle difficult subjects or are subtle, layered, etc.
Why roast someone trying to improve? We haven’t all had the same opportunities in life.
Why roast someone trying to improve? We haven’t all had the same opportunities in life.
Why don’t you ask @[email protected], who I was responding to?
It was the general reading/vocabulary.
I don’t think it matters in this context. Person is trying to get into reading, nothing roastable about that.
I read YA as Yaoi and I’m like “or course it’s reasonable to roast him for telling a coworker about the Yaoi he’s reading”
No, the correct reaction is “I do not know the Jah-Oi of which you speak. What is this art form that I have never heard of?”
cobysevWhen I was in the US Air Force, I was deployed to a US Marine camp once, and listening to those guys chat among themselves was always a treat. You never knew what dumbass comments were going to come out of their mouths.
One day, one of the young corporals mentioned that, while traveling to another base, he got stuck waiting for a connecting flight between bases for about a week and he was so bored, he read A BOOK. He stressed the fact that he’s never read an entire book from cover to cover before, but he did on this layover because he was so extremely bored.
To my surprise, the other Marines just nodded along, like this made perfect sense to them. Not a single person harassed him for never reading a book before (and they harass each other all the time for the simplest things).
I mean, we poke fun at Marines for being dumb. They call themselves jarheads, which is an allusion to the fact that their heads are as empty as a jar. But it still blows my mind to hear the dumb things they say sometimes.
That’s not why Marines are called jarheads. While we do love the occasional crayon, we’re not all stupid.
Jarhead first originated somewhere during WW2 because the high collar on some of our uniforms making it look like our heads were popping out of jars. The term has meant a few other things since then, like referencing the high and tight haircut, or being so “uptight” on their training and discipline and described as having that hat screwed on tight like the lid of a jar.
trust me, it is indeed easy to hate reading if you have asshole teachers. he got lucky and was able to discover reading at a later age.
We’ve all got to start somewhere.
It’s better to read what you enjoy than what you “should” be reading.
Given enough time, they’ll maybe become the same thing anyway.
A while back I read several bad books in a row and decided to try manga for a break. Some of them were good, others weren’t. Then I got frustrated because most of the stuff I was reading wasn’t finished, so I sought out the source material novels that were further along. Ended up finding some really good books that I otherwise would have never knew existed.
Highly recommend the Ascendence of a Bookworm novel.
I’m glad reading is cool now.
Ok they were dicky about it, but y'all need to consider the possibilities. Maybe they have undiagnosed dyslexia. Maybe they grew up in poverty and a terrible home life and never had the opportunity to become a reader for pleasure. Maybe lots of possibilities
I think the problem is not preferring manga/comics over regular books, but rather that anon implies, with the whole “not being willing to make a manga or at least a graphic novel”, that normal books are lazy inplementations of literature, which is such a dumb and inconcievable POV that we are justifiebly ridiculing them.
I fucking knew 4chan was illiterate /hj
HE IS?
renzhexiangjiaowtf is a "chapter book"?
jballsIt’s a book with chapters. Basically a regular ass book. When kids are real little, their books are like 15 pages long. Then in like 1st or 2nd grade, they move onto reading big kid books - aka “chapter books” that have enough pages to warrant chapters.
You never hear someone over the age of 7 or 8 mention reading “chapter books” because they’re just know as books.
Except anon, who is dumb as fuck.
Anon could be a kid. On the internet nobody knows you’re a dog. Actually, a lot of content on 4chan looks like a giggling 8 year old posted it; especially the posts about poop.
AnUnusualRelicHehe, you said “poop”
Haha, penis!
There are regular books that don’t have any chapters. Most of Terry Pratchett’s Discworld Books are an example of this.
Really? I’ve read almost all of them twice and I wouldn’t have been able to tell you that lol
There are divisions in the text that other authors might have broken into chapters. He is actually incredibly clever with those divisions, building sections longer or shorter to control the speed of the story.
Terry does include breaks and beats in the stories that many other authors would adorn as a new chapter, but he never does. honestly imo that makes things almost filmic - for example where a switch in perspective usually prompts a new chapter and pushes an author to make it longer, Terry can just write a single page or even a few paragraphs to tease you a bit of what’s going on elsewhere in the story, and then go back to the usual perspective but now with the added context & tension
that makes things almost filmic
His early books literally started with a visual description of the reader’s imagination “camera” gradually focusing on Great A’Tuin, the Disc, whatever region the action was going to happen in, and so on.
Filmic is exactly what he was going for.
That threw me when I started Guards! Guards!. I generally only have time to read at night and stop at the first chapter break after 11:00. For several nights in a row I was reading until midnight, giving up, then forgetting by the next time. Eventually I checked ahead and realized there weren’t any, but a lot of his ‘sections’ are chapter sized, so it works out.
Literally just a book that isn’t made for children.
A book.
UnderpantsWeevilWith multiple chapters.
It’s like a webnovel but not necessarily web.
it is a book which is long enough that its broken into “chapters” so that you have a good stopping point to pause your reading for the day.
Or in the context of OOP, a book containing many^1^ pages of text and no pictures^2^
I assume it’s similar how I can’t get in to manga, but I can enjoy a novel or animated stuff. Just can’t seem to enjoy those black and white squares with questionable art in them. Just doesn’t speak to me.
There’s almost certainly manga you’d enjoy out there, but if you’re not willing to dig through all the crap that’s understandable. And because it’s more niche it’ll take more effort to discover the things you’d like.
I’m more for novels but for me it’s because a translated manga will cost similar to a light novel but takes a fraction of the time to read. Less value for my money