Are we really seeing the fall of empire, or just the end of our illusions?

https://lemmy.world/post/33249999

Neither. The US dollar can’t readily be replaced as reserve currency.

The US Military sector will be fine.

You’ve done shitty things before, and had various states of psuedo fascism before.

US debt has always been meaningless (little more than a political buggaboo).

…and you’ve lost the world’s respect before by voting in idiots, stripping away rights, and destroying minorities.

Nothing particularly new is happening.

Country’s don’t disappear so easily.

Yes, the dollar remains entrenched. Yes, military dominance buys time. But the accumulation of social fragmentation, institutional decay, global distrust and unchecked corporate influence isn’t new or far from inconsequential.

Oh yeah, your democracy is fucked. But you asked about the “American Empire”, which has hardly been about having a strong democracy.

In fact, in many ways Empire and Democracy are opposing forces.

But plenty of Empires have been undemocratic. So is your question about Empire, or Democracy now?

Empire and democracy often clash. The U.S. has long sold itself as both. If the democratic side collapses the whole narrative falls apart.

The narrative of being a corrupt “democracy” (that’s really a plutocracy), which lives mostly by having the largest military industrial complex in the world and invading smaller resource rich nations?

You think THAT narrative is about to fall apart? How so?

I mean you guys have always been manifest destiny, America’s the best place on earth, gerrymandering, money is votes, corporations are people, donations are political speech, loud, assholes. What are you saying is going to change?

Cracks are widening. Empires don’t fall for being corrupt, they fall when the cost of holding it all together stops being worth it.

Oh you think it’s costing Trump and his cohorts too much money to be worth it anymore?

I don’t think so - I think they’ve all massively increased their wealth whilst in office. So what cost are you talking about?

Camzing OP

Cracks are widening. Empires don’t fall for being corrupt, they fall when the cost of holding it all together stops being worth it.

DarkCloud

Oh you think it’s costing Trump and his cohorts too much money to be worth it anymore?

I don’t think so - I think they’ve all massively increased their wealth whilst in office. So what cost are you talking about?

I’m talking about the cost of maintaining the illusion of order, legitimacy, and global control.