GrapheneOSJul 18, 2025

We published this response to a recent article promoting insecure devices with /e/OS with inaccurate claims, including inaccurate comparisons to GrapheneOS:

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

The founder of /e/OS has responded with misinformation promoting /e/OS and attacking GrapheneOS.

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Show threadGrapheneOSJul 18, 2025
We made a post with accurate info on our forum in response to inaccurate information, that's all. There's a lot more we could have covered. See https://kuketz-blog.de/e-datenschutzfreundlich-bedeutet-nicht-zwangslaeufig-sicher-custom-roms-teil6/ for several examples such as /e/OS having unique user tracking in their update client not communicated to users.
/e/: Datenschutzfreundlich bedeutet nicht zwangsläufig sicher – Custom-ROMs Teil6

/e/ punktet beim Datenschutz, aber hinsichtlich der Sicherheit bestehen erhebliche Bedenken.

Show threadGrapheneOSJul 18, 2025

The founder of /e/OS responded to the post we made on our forum here:

https://mastodon.social/@gael/114874688715085353

Gaël Duval has repeatedly personally targeted the founder of GrapheneOS in response to us posting accurate information responding to misinformation from /e/OS and their supporters.

Show threadGrapheneOSJul 18, 2025
Contrary to what's claimed in this thread, /e/OS does not improve privacy. /e/OS massively reduces privacy compared to the Android Open Source Project in multiple ways. /e/OS is consistently very far behind on shipping important privacy improvements in new major Android releases.
Show threadF4GRX Sébastien
@GrapheneOS what the heck!
Jul 19, 2025 at 5:11pmWeb
Show threadGrapheneOSJul 19, 2025
@f4grx See https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114880528716479708 for a very good example of how it doesn't provide what's claimed. Their Murena Voice to Text service really just sends user audio data to OpenAI without informing users. Both Apple and Google support offline speech-to-text. In Gboard, it's enabled with the "Faster voice typing" toggle for downloading a local model and using that instead of the service. Contrast that with this OS marketed as a private alternative to those always sending the data to OpenAI.
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Apple and Google both provide support for offline speech-to-text using local models. Users can configure it to be fully offline. The Murena Voice to Text service in /e/OS sends the user's audio to OpenAI which is hidden away in their terms of service: https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509

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Show threadF4GRX SébastienJul 19, 2025
@GrapheneOS O_O