walktheplankCalls for Canada to bar bands Kneecap, Bob Vylan over anti-Israel messages test limits of free expression
How DARE those Bands Spray BULLETS into Starving Children!
SORRY! I mean how DARE they say doing That is BAD!
On the other hand, it’s perfectly valid to not want to knife either combatant in a knife fight, but just get them to stop endangering themselves and everyone around them. You know, without chanting “death to knife fighter A!”
Are people still trying to both sides a literal genocide?
Nope; I’m saying calling for the death of those causing the genocide isn’t going to bring peace.
The Holocaust was ended by killing Nazis
lumpenproletariatYes it does, and pretty abruptly.
Lileath“Death death to the SS” would be too radical for the average lib it seems.
We still have the right to say it. Why does it bother you?
Because it’s history repeating itself. Again.
Yes history always repeating itself. A group/tribe/country occupy another other , oppress them for decade than the occupied start retaliating sometimes with legitimate attacks sometimes with terrorism. And people start calling out the occupier and support vocally the right of the oppressed to self defense and there is other with naive views like you keep talking about how you wish the oppressor why opposing the oppressed right to self defense given by international law and people who vocally support it
Someone like you who say i wish Israelis get held accountable and go to jail is like someone wishing to get a job but do no real effort to have one
So when knife fighter A stabs starving children to death, after directly causing their starvation, you’re still gonna piss and moan about people chanting “death to knife fighter a”? Who am I kidding, of course you’ll take the “be a little bitch” route.
Fuck that.
Death to the IDF!
Together, we can just get them to stop. Starve them of money and weapons. Shame them publicly. Force them away from their victims. It can all be done without death.
HellsBelleYeah, 'cause that’s worked so well for humans historically.
and especially in the middle east!
Ember JamesHow has constant and devastating war worked out as an alternative?
gonzo-rand19How do you suppose Israel will be non-violently forced away from Palestine, the place they've been ethnically cleansing with the explicit help of other nations for over 70 years? Together, we'll... ?
Canada won't even put out a statement saying there is a genocide and that it's wrong. We are sending weapons and other aid directly to Israel to help them finish the job.
Yeah; and that is wrong. Should we be saying “die Canada” because of it? Or should we do what we can to get the government to stop?
THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO FEED THEMSELVES SOME OF WHOME ARE LITTLE CHILDREN.
YOU ARE SUPPORTING KILLERS OF CHILDREN AND DOERS OF GENOCIDE.
YOU ARE NOT A GOOD HUMAN BEING.
ikiddThat’s some hard dodging to miss the point that completely.
Point wasn’t missed.
But I have a hard time with “death to <anyone>”, even when the original intent is metaphorical. Absolutely no equating calls for ending violent groups with actual violence committed by those groups.
Not much of a student of history, are we? Ghandi was the exception, not the rule.
Ido believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonour - Ghandi
Fuck all the way off.
I’m sure you’d have the same feelings if someone just took over your house and regularlly killed your family members. Right?
Chanting for the death of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF). Waving a Hezbollah flag at a concert. Cheering for Hamas. Calling on fans in the U.K. to “kill your local MP.”
Then, video re-emerged from a 2023 concert, in London, England, when one member said, “The only good Tory is a dead Tory. Kill your local MP.” The band apologized amid concert cancellations in Europe.
Another video appeared to show one of the band members shouting “up Hezbollah, up Hamas” at a 2024 concert in London while wearing a Hezbollah flag over his head. Both Hezbollah and Hamas are designated terror groups in Britain, as well in Canada.
Do you want to see how easy it is to be against Israels actions, support Palestinian freedom, and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?
The Likud party of Israel are war criminals. The soldiers in the IDF following Likuds orders are war criminals. Every Israelite attacking Palestinians is a war criminal. Every Israelite in support of this is supporting a genocide.
Every single one of them should be brought to swift justice. But it isn’t everyone in Israel or the IDF, just like every Palestinian isn’t Hamas.
Do you want to see how easy it is to be against Israels actions, support Palestinian freedom, and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?
I mean, why would you not incite violence against violent genociders and occupiers? Also you meant Israelis. Israelites are the Biblical group.
I mean, why would you not incite violence against violent genociders and occupiers?
Because it isn’t everyone in Israel or the IDF, just like every Palestinian isn’t Hamas, as I stated above. Inciting violence leads to more innocent death, because everyone becomes a target.
There is a reason why anti Muslim and anti Jewish rhetoric is on the rise, and inciting violence against either group is the reason for that.
Also you meant Israelis. Israelites are the Biblical group.
No, I used Israelite specifically in this case to reference the fucked up rhetoric and mentality of Israeli’s who believe they are Gods chosen people, have a right to every inch of land in the area, and getting that land by any means necessary is Gods will.
Because it isn’t everyone in Israel or the IDF, just like every Palestinian isn’t Hamas,
What? What is the IDF doing other than oppressing Palestinians? That's literally their whole thing. Israel has sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Gaza whose whole purpose is to kill and displace Palestinians, not to mention their operations and enforcement of Apartheid in the West Bank. There is no way to be an innocent IDF soldier., because everything they do is evil.
Inciting violence leads to more innocent death, because everyone becomes a target.
Well there's nothing can Palestinians can do to stop Israel except violence.
What? What is the IDF doing other than oppressing Palestinians? That’s literally their whole thing. Israel has sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers in Gaza whose whole purpose is to kill and displace Palestinians, not to mention their operations and enforcement of Apartheid in the West Bank. There is no way to be an innocent IDF soldier., because everything they do is evil.
I would highly recommend you look up what “Conscription” is, and the consequences of avoiding service.
Well there’s nothing can Palestinians can do to stop Israel except violence.
One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, or any other people involved in this.
I would highly recommend you look up what "Conscription" is, and the consequences of avoiding service.
I know what conscription is, but I also know what genocide is. Wehrmacht soldiers were conscripted; would you have discouraged violence against them too?
One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, or any other people involved in this.
Tell that to Israel. When Israel is intent on using violence to murder and displace Palestinians, what do you want them to do?
I have stated my point of view very clearly. If you are confused about my point of view I invite you to ask good faith questions, or refresh yourself by reading what I said again.
You stated what you don't want people to do, but you haven't said anything about what Palestinians should do instead. Surely your answer isn't "nothing," is it?
I invite you to ask good faith questions, or refresh yourself by reading what I said again.
Have good faith conversation and answer legitimate questions unless you want to look like an hypocrite Your choice
Surely your answer isn’t “nothing,” is it?
This is not a good faith question.
Avoiding questions is bad faith
I would highly recommend you look up what "Conscription" is, and the consequences of avoiding service.
Jail vs being a war criminal that killed ton of Palestinians and that may end up with ptsd and committed suicide.
The best choice is so clear
One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Palestinians, Israelis, Iranians, Lebanese, Syrians, or any other people involved in this.
Would you say the same thing about Ukrainians defending their lands?
Suicide rate in Israeli army hits 13-year high amid ongoing war
The Israeli army has reported a sharp increase in the number of suicides since the start of the war in Gaza, adding that thousands of soldiers have stopped serving in combat roles due to mental distress. The trend has led the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to adopt new preventive measures 15 months into a conflict that has mobilised hundreds of thousands of reservists.
Jail vs being a war criminal that killed ton of Palestinians and that may end up with ptsd and committed suicide.
The best choice is so clear
france24.com/…/20250103-suicide-rate-in-israeli-a…
I do not understand what point you are trying to make here.
Would you say the same thing about Ukrainians defending their lands?
Yes. One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Ukrainians, Russians, North Koreans, or any other group involved in direct conflict.
Suicide rate in Israeli army hits 13-year high amid ongoing war
The Israeli army has reported a sharp increase in the number of suicides since the start of the war in Gaza, adding that thousands of soldiers have stopped serving in combat roles due to mental distress. The trend has led the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to adopt new preventive measures 15 months into a conflict that has mobilised hundreds of thousands of reservists.
I do not understand what point you are trying to make here.
My point is jail is better than committing genocide or have really bad ptsd that you commit suicide. Regardless, once in gaza if a soldier who was forced to join the war want to kill a Palestinian, shouldn't the Palestinian have to right to kill before he get killed?
Yes. One can clearly see that violence is not benefiting Ukrainians, Russians, North Koreans, or any other group involved in direct conflict.
This is so naive. We all would like to see the occupier/invader/aggressor to stop violence
and get held accountable but it was never the case in history , it's such an idealistic view.
We know really well that Russians goal is to assimilate Ukrainians and for Israel to
kick out Palestinians and take the land they believe was given to them by god.
Are you telling me Ukrainians and Palestinians should not resistance and kill invaders and wait for justice to come by itself and for Russians to stop the invasion, Israel yo stop occupation .
Would you like if you tell someone that a person is threatening to kill you and that person tell you if the person who threaten come to kill you , don't your violence to defend yourself and kill him as the last resort?
The Likud party of Israel are war criminals. The soldiers in the IDF following Likuds orders are war criminals. Every Israelite attacking Palestinians is a war criminal. Every Israelite in support of this is supporting a genocide.
and not support Terrorists while inciting violence?
Israel was always a terrorist state that was created by terrorists (The Haganah, the irgun, the lehi)
based on an supremacist ideology saying any jews has eternal right to the land
just become jews has a continuous presence in the area and that Palestinians
are just arab invaders which is not true. Israel ideology never changed, every single goddamn prime minister of them are war criminals that oppressed, raped and killed Palestinians for 77 years .
Every single one of them should be brought to swift justice.
You know very well that bringing Israeli war criminals will never be put in jail. You know very well that occupation never ended with only with diplomacy, armed resistance was always part of the fight for justice.
IDF soldiers only dies in Gaza and the west bank where Palestinians has right to self defense. One idf soldiers dying in the genocidal war is "10" Palestinians saved.
Who are you to tell people how to express Palestinians right to armed resistances
Hamas is not a resistance group.
Resistance and terrorism can overlap. If you fight an occupation force then you are doing resistance simple as that
Before I pass judgement on which opinions are allowed, I like to imagine who would use that same power to block my own.
Death death to the idf
The IDF is a legitimate military target. It’s purpose is itself violence, so it’s incredibly dumb people have a problem with (questionably literal) violence being suggested towards it.
If it was death to Isreal, they might have a point, although there as well it might mean the state and not the people in it; for example as part of a one-state solution. If it was death to Jews the reaction would be totally warranted and I’d hope Bob Vylan would be charged.
… For those fighting over there. Are you active military Mr armchair warrior? I’d like to see them all prosecuted and thrown into prison for the rest of their lives. Better, they should atone by rebuilding Gaza.
Calling for anybody’s death and calling that Okay is how we got here in the first place.
Signed dumb people.
Signed dumb people.
Well at least you’re honest
But what if sending them to the Hague wasn’t an option (and it’s usually not)? Wouldn’t it be better for them to die? Suggesting that isn’t the problem with the world. It definitely isn’t so exceptional that it should be cut out of the usual protections on freedom of expression.
I didn’t say I personally am going to kill IDF soldiers, did I? If I had, that would either be true or I’d be an internet tough guy, but I didn’t.
You know eeally qell it won't hsppen so palestinians won't cross their hands and will fight
Sunshine (she/her)Netanyahu should be the one barred not these upstanding people.
ShaggySnacksWatch them be banned because it’s important we don’t upset the Israeli government feelings.
Anti war speech has to be free speech. Declaring Israel the most moral army in the world, with ambitions for most humanitarian concentration camp in the world as absolute immutable truth is not just fascism in of itself, it is genocidal hasbara given evidence of opposite.
Fascist media and political party unity on war, and which side of wars to support also affects online community moderation, some of which is paid by master empire to impose the fascist unity message.
Ukrainian or Zionist diaspora imposing fascist limitations on speech, because they are politically valuable single issue diasporas, simply invalidates democracy and freedom. Instead of submitting to what is primarily US empire driven censorship and oppression, it would be reasonable to criminalize/censor support for an empire’s war/unjustifiable extortion against us, much less rethinking our programming for their propaganda.