I don't know if people in the UK realise how much danger there is from Reform.

The UK political system has no written constitution, it has left the EU and two of its major parties say they intend to leave the ECHR. Leaving the ECHR would allow the UK parliament to do anything it wants including a re-run of 1930s/40s Germany.

There would be no supreme court to stop it because there is no constitution. The monarchy wouldn't do anything either.

Fascists in power in the UK would have no checks and balances. Trump has at least had some speedbumps slowing him down, Farage would have nothing stopping him at all.

@FediThing Because that is stopping Trump. Nothing magical about a constitution. It certainly had a charter, though I suspect it's adapted over the years

@ariaflame

It hasn't stopped him but it's slowed him down. If the US Supreme Court had non-corrupt members it might slow him down even more, or perhaps stop some things.

But there is no structure like that in the UK, and the only restrictions are things like the EU and ECHR.

The UK's EU membership is gone, the ECHR membership is under threat. If that goes too, then pretty much anything becomes legal for whoever has a majority in parliament. Whatever they want, they could pass a law to enable it and there would be nothing restraining them.

@FediThing Oh, are you an expert on the UK legal system?

@ariaflame

You don't have to be an expert to realise there is no written constitution in the UK.

And it also doesn't require legal training to know that when the UK has denied people human rights, people have often managed to get these rights back by taking the case to the European Court. That would stop if the UK withdraws from the ECHR.

Human rights would then be entirely decided by whoever has a majority in the UK parliament. If that's a fascist party, then the UK is in big trouble.

@FediThing SCOTUS isn't exactly maintaining human rights or the constitution in the USA after all. Whether it's a written constitution or not, it depends on whether people honour it.

@ariaflame

I agree, and once you have corrupt people in such courts they become pointless, but there is at least some kind of slowdown there.

If the judges had been appointed in a less corrupt manner, the court would have had more effect.

In the UK there is nothing at all like that.

@FediThing And of course the USA doesn't feel itself held to any of the Human Rights declaration either. In 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Sosa v. Alvarez-Machain that the Declaration "does not of its own force impose obligations as a matter of international law", and that the political branches of the U.S. federal government can "scrutinize" the nation's obligations to international instruments and their enforceability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Wikipedia

@ariaflame

Sure, but having a written constitution does have some use. For example it was the constitution's requirement to hold a federal election in 2020 which took Trump out of power after his first term (even though he tried to incite an armed rebellion against the result).

There is nothing like that forcing a UK parliament to hold regular elections except whatever laws they decide to pass or amend.

@FediThing It's also several countries in a trenchcoat, so while they might be able to affect say Westminster, they likely can't affect the Scottish Parliament the same way.

@ariaflame @FediThing the Scotland Act 1998 can be amended β€” as happens every few years β€” by simple majority vote.

It can be repealed by simple majority vote.

There would likely be riots if they did, and international condemnation, but, ultimately, Westminster can β€˜affect the Scottish Parliament’ in any way it likes.

For that matter the SNP's lead is slipping, they'll survive next year but between Reform, Tories, and Alba, the Scottish Parliament could well be fascist itself circa 2030.

@zbrown @FediThing Well, we will just hope not, because it's clear that no piece of paper or legislation on its own will stop a government that's inclined to be fascist.

@ariaflame @FediThing we shouldn't just hope not, we should be actively looking to build and reinforce institutions β€” especially the ECHR, to rally support for democratic alternatives, and keep calling things out.

It's already happening.

@zbrown @FediThing I wish you luck, I'm not sure there's much I can do to help from Australia.