RetJul 16

Oh and by the way, these age verification things are pure bullshit. This is Go.cam - the leading "open source" one people are talking about. I thought I'd have to employ some AI image generation stuff to spoof it. That was... overly optimistic about their capabilities.

"Highly Effective Age Assurance" they said.

#OnlineSafetyAct

Show threadRetJul 16

Honestly, fuck all the people pushing this.

Fuck the hand-wringing apologists who know better but employed a "it'll be alright on the night" attitude when we had a chance to stop it.

Fuck the snake-oil salesmen who are pushing "solutions" like this one.

Fuck Ofcom and their "what government wants, government gets" attitude - if you think it's a mistake, fight it, or resign instead of being complicit in ushering in censorship.

Fuck the idiots who think it'll stop here.

Show threadulveon.netJul 16
@ret Hopefully you also name and shame the furry admins who run NSFW spaces demanding to see newcomers' IDs, yes?

Outrageously common on Telegram and Discord, and beyond disgusting.
Show threadRetJul 16
@ulveon not really sure how to respond to that I'm afraid. I don't think I'm in the business of "naming and shaming" anybody.
Show threadLehti JuoksijaJul 16

@ret
@ulveon

I don't quite understand what you think would be a better solution. Would you rather they not even attempt age verification and make it way more trivial for minors to access those spaces..? Or are you trying to advocate for something with even stronger authentication like https://ageverification.dev/ for example (relies on EU national ID systems auth instead)?

Like, sure, current solutions suck, but I've got nothing better to recommend.

European Age Verification Solution

Show threadRetJul 16
@lehti @ulveon I would rather parents hold the responsibility over what their kids should and shouldn't see. When they see things they shouldn't see (which they will), it needs to be contextualised and educated-about.
Show threadRet
@lehti @ulveon this sort of thing rots societies. It erodes privacy and trust. It infantilises and removes obligation from parents. It hides from the real issues. It indulges in puritanical views. I oppose it in all forms. I will fight it in all forms.
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Show threadBaral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲Jul 16
@ret @lehti @ulveon This, 100%.
Show threadLehti JuoksijaJul 17
@baralheia
@ret @ulveon
Good for ya, I do hope ya manage to change the laws around the world to reflect ya views. As currently it very much ya issue if ya run an adult space and a minor finds their way there.
Show threadulveon.netJul 17
@lehti @baralheia @ret how many admins of NSFW Telegram and Discord groups have ever been sued by parents of children who lied about their age?

Yeah, exactly, zero.
Show threadLehti JuoksijaJul 17

@ulveon
 Am no legal expert so no point in arguing about law, just being genuine in thinking there is an issue and wishing it could be changed. Even if the laws weren't an issue, I don't see why a community should be forbidden from having their own rules include that. Don't get me wrong, I figure it's also good that they aren't required to have arbitrary rules either.

That way I can choose to join the communities where I feel safer, that I feel like reduce the risk for possible moral & legal issues. And past me or you can pick to instead interact in the more privacy preserving ones, where there is not a moral issue with mandated reduced privacy.