What's your favorite thing that anyone has done out of pure spite?

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What's your favorite thing that anyone has done out of pure spite? - Lemmy.World

Lemmy

I know there’s been a few cases of people paying fines with wheelbarrows full of loose pennies.
Obligatory caution that that can backfire if the recipient insists that the debtor counts the pennies. Or if the creditor refuses the pennies entirely, which is legal in some jurisdictions. (e.g. in the UK, pennies and 2p coins are legal tender up to amounts of only 20 pence. Anything beyond that is left to the discretion of the recipient.)
In the US, pennies are legal tender and have to be accepted as payment for debts owed. This tactic usually ended up in the fine being dismissed.
Pennies only have to be accepted if there is a state law saying so. For example in California if a landlord refuses a cash payment (pennies or otherwise) then the tenant basically gets free rent that month. Businesses generally set their own rules as to what is accepted. Just like you see signs saying “No bills over $20” - 50’s and 100’s are legal tender, but they can refuse them just like a bucket of pennies can be refused.

Title 31 (Money and Finance), Subtitle IV (Money), Chapter 51 (Coins and Currency), Subchapter I (Monetary System), Section 5103 (Legal Tender) of the United States Code states:

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.

Since you feel like quoting things is conducive to proper discusion:

Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?

There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled “Legal tender,” states: “United States coins and currency [including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve Banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.” This statute means that all U.S. money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.

www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm

Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues

There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services

Goods or services ≠ debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.

A retail store, a restaurant etc. can refuse currency from a customer but a loan/lien holder, a public utility company, a government entity or an HOA must all accept any legal tender.

You’re confusing two separate situations.

No, you’re confusing two separate issues.

If it’s before the point of sale, they can refuse any form of payment. If you’ve already accrued the debt, they can’t refuse it.

At no point was I talking about payment for goods and services.

Re-read my comment. You’re saying the same thing I did. Did you think I replied to you and not the other user?

Here’s what I said:

A retail store, a restaurant etc. can refuse currency from a customer but a loan/lien holder, a public utility company, a government entity or an HOA must all accept any legal tender.

Which is the same as:

If it’s before the point of sale, they can refuse any form of payment. If you’ve already accrued the debt, they can’t refuse it.

The user I replied to who was responding to you said:

There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services.

I told them they were confusing two separate issues.

Oops, my bad. My eyes fucked up the comment levels.