acargitzUK arrests 83-year-old priest for backing Palestine Action and opposing Gaza genocide
huppakeeJust wondering, if I would hold up a sign with ‘go isreal, continue the amazing work you do!’, would that get me arrested? Surely i’d get beat up but i mean what would the lawmakers think of that? Would it be different if the sign would say ‘go isreal, murder those innocent families’ or ‘go isreal, your genocide rules!’ (am i allowed to call it a genocide if i’m not against it?)
shiturdgensiderThey’ll invite you on TV
What really happened here: Members of this Palestine Action group sneaked onto a military base and attacked the aircrafts there. This act of politically motivated vandalism resulted in this group being officially banned by the government. Which is totally ok, no state in the world will and can tolerate some group doing acts of terrorism and/or doing sabotage.
Supporting banned terrorist organizations is of course also not allowed (which really makes sense) and yeah, this priest totally did that on purpose. You are therefore totally fine holding up a sign supporting Israel and you are also totally fine holding up a sign supporting Palestine, but you are not fine holding up signs supporting banned organizations.
Fedditbro supporting genocide.
Nobody’s surprised.
Piece of shit
Nah, Labeling them as “terrorists” is disproportionate.
Criminals, yes. Terrorists, no.
The definition of terrorism under british law can apply to basically any protest group and if applied retroactively would drag things like the suffragette movement under the umbrella of terrorism.
This move is an assault on all of our freedom of speech
What really happened is already in the article, my questions are about how lawmakers would respond if you openly support the same side they are supporting. That is especially relevant as r i don’t expect regular folk to let me walk around showing the same kind of support for genocide. This has nothing to do with the Palestine Action group and what they did or didn’t do.
Thanks for providing proper context.
Before they decided to break into a British military base and sabotage planes their status might have been debatable.
People from genocidal countries (US, Germany, UK) should really shut the fuck up
bthestAttacked aircraft? By smacking it with her walker?
Please inform yourself: People of the Palestine Action group have sneaked upon a british military airfield and sprayed paint into the jet engines of several RAF planes.
So? Did the paint damage the planes? The RAF should give them an award for exposing the vulnerabilities in its security measures.
Yes, putting paint into a jet engine damages a jet engine.
Oh noooo the genocidal army had their plane painted? Soooo sad
HubiWay to show your ignorance.
Bootlicker
You’re equating vandalism to terrorism, you might want to look up the meaning of those words.
The British House of Commons voted by 385 votes to 26 to add Palestine Action to the list of terrorist groups proscribed under the Terrorism Act. Maybe you want to tell us why your definition of terrorism is different from the one in the British parliament?
That vote just shows us the British House of Commons is full of racists. Nothing new there.
Because i’m not a hypocrite, unlike the british parliament.
Because they are unfairly biased in favor of Israel. The U.S. has shown its bias by denying the war crimes that every serious scholar has agreed is happening. The state of Israel itself has tried to shoehorn “criticism of the state of Israel” into the definition of antisemitism.
Governments will stretch and distort definitions to suit their purposes.
The british parliement is guilty of supporting genocide, who TF cares about their opinions on things.
Fuck britain
The UK is a zionist occupied government.
They threw red paint at fighter jets you dishonest cunt
make is sarcastic, the British way.
go on the telly, then show them a mirror to themselves. talk how excited you are for how many humanitarian volunteers are being slaughtered, how clever is it to stave children so they can take their land…
Or you you could just, you know… protest against Israel and pro Palestinians without explicitly showing your allegiance to terrorist organizations such as Hamas.
But how would I telegraph my desire to murder the Jews if I did that?
To simply imagine Palestine without settlers, to simply imagine a sky without drones—that, in the Zionist imagination, is genocidal. If you stick with the “want” of the charge, the notion that Palestinians want to kill all Jews, you find that Zionism is at war with our future. It is at war with our ability to articulate, even if only through poems and protest chants, a future in which Zionism does not reign. For in the past 100 years, Zionism has situated us in a condition of constant dispossession and premature death; our Nakba remains and renews. We are besieged in an inescapable, eternal present tense.
Mohammed El-Kurd
without explicitly showing your allegiance
So you assume that there’s either an explicit or implicit support for Hamas by protesting against Israel?
without explicitly showing your allegiance
So you assume that there’s either an explicit or implicit support for Hamas by protesting against Israel?
Sorry for using difficult words. Make simple for you now:
- protest against Israel: Ok
- protest for Palestinians: Good
- support Hamas: very bad
Understood or brain still hurt?
OK but where is the explicit support for Hamas that this woman was demonstrating. Hamas doesn’t appear in the article.
How explain word “like” simple? Difficult but I try - for you.
- Orange like grapefruit - both fruit
- Toyota like Ford - both car
- Hamas like “Palestine Action” - both terrorist
If still difficult:
- grapefruit more sour than orange - still both fruit
- Toyota better than Ford - both still car
- Hamas way way worse than “Palestine Action” - still both terrorist
What the fuck even is this comment, lol
Oh, I see, you think that just because the UK labeled Palestine Action a terrorist group, they actually are?
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Hey, come on over, I got a bridge to sell you!
ICE is a terrorist organization. MAGA is a terrorist organization. You must be really against both of those things, eh? They use fear tactics and scaremongering, and when that doesn’t work, they get violent real quick. And they are based on both political and religious ideology to boot!
Where did they show support for Hamas?
terrorist organizations such as Hamas
Can you get more bad faith?
Just stop using Palestinians as as guise for your love of terrorism.
trying to stop delivering arms to a terrorist group commiting genocide: terrorism
commiting genocide and deliberately killing, maiming, starving and playing cruel games with the lives of civilians and literal children: not terrorism
talk about bad faith… fuck off with all that.
Thanks for providing a textbook example of bad faith arguing.
My point was that you can protest for the cause of Palestinians without showing allegiance to terrorist organizations.
You are not only claiming that you must support organizations that are defined as terrorist, you pretend I was the one defining their status.
Well done. (slow clap)
My point was that you can protest for the cause of Palestinians without showing allegiance to terrorist organizations.
Still haven’t explained where they did this but yeah they’re the ones arguing in bad faith.
Try harder. Can I get the contact information of your handler, I think you need some additional training…
where’d that “must” come from? or of
i don’t give a shit about what groups are “defined” as terrorist; it’s a designation given by governments for political purposes, often commiting much more heinous crimes themselves and usually for the specific purpose of distracting from that fact and suppressing any opposition including what would otherwise be free speech, which is exactly what’s happening here.
the biggest terror organization in the world is the US Armed Forces. unless you show me people getting arrested in the UK for supporting the US you and all of you “terrorism” concern trolls can suck a bag of dicks.
Yeah, they’re the ones arguing in bad faith 🙄
“Stop arguing in bad faith” *proceeds to immediately make the most bad faith argument I have seen in this thread*
So support for Palestinians is only ok if you don’t support the one thing Palestinians could actually do to stop the senseless slaughter of more Palestinians- armed revolutionary action?
So basically one can only wave a flag and cheer against the slaughter of Palestinians by Israel while vilifying the group that Israel deems it’s enemy for checks notes dealing back the same damage dealt to Palestinians for over a century now since Zionist terrorist cells who would become the Israeli military intelligence apparatus and political elite, waged campaigns of massacres, bombings and assassinations all across British mandatory Palestine forcing the British to leave their occupation and the un to split the territory 55/45 in zionists favor. So essentially we are denied to cheer on reciprocal retribution by a population clearly wronged through decades of subjugation, brutal Oppression and genocide because of the sensibilities of colonial capitalist imperialism?
Got it
How did this get 5 upvotes lol
I think more people have alts on lemmy than we’d like to admit. Particularly when they’re accounts spewing hasbara propaganda.
Unidan is taking AIPAC money.
the IOF is a terrorist organization. much bigger, more prolific and active than Hamas as well. literally a war criminal organization. funny how you never hear people getting arrested for supporting the IOF though.
Are there any pro “IOF” demonstrations anywhere?
Holding up a sign in support of a terrorist organization will (hopefully) get you arrested.
You might argue that “Palestine Action” should not be defined as a terrorist organization.
You can hold up a sign supporting them to protest the designation. You will be arrested however. That’s just what happens.
Personally I’m not so sure that Palestinians will benefit from all that.
Why are you talking about Hamas in a thread about Palestine Action? The two groups are not related at all and use totally different tactics (Palestine Action is explicitly non-violent).
There is only one context in which Palestine Action is “a terrorist organization such as Hamas” and that’s the depraved legislation that the idiots in Westminster passed. The bravery of the 83 year old priest this article is about lays bare the depravity and stupidity of this absolutely idiotic legislation. Your comment on the other hand, by using this idiotic comparison buys into this aberrant degeneracy. Why do you do that?
Yeah why on earth would one support the only armed force defending genocidees?
Dumbgerm
None of those signs would lead to your arrest in the UK.
in some. countries even holding empty sign would lead you to arrest