alsIn 6 hours it will be illegal to say "I support Palestine Action" in the UK, with a sentence of up to 14 years in prison.
Wow, and I thought the US was bad.
We just really really like you.
I mean that’s what happens when your organisation organises a break-in of an RAF site and causes millions of pounds of damage to military aircraft.
There are reasonable ways to protest, and that wasn’t one of them.
Support one of the many other unaffected groups that support Palestine without doing absurd things like this.
Didn't they damage weapons for Ukraine, not Israel?
blackn1ghtThat was in Belgium I think.
TimLovesTechDepends on your goals and what you are willing to risk to achieve them. Some people throw paint on priceless art, some people light themselves on fire, some people yell at people on the internet. Any protest is a cost-risk evaluation.
That’s not what this is about. Everyone agrees that damage to military assets is a criminal action, no matter how you justify it. The problem I and others have is that the actions don’t meet any sort of sensible criteria for what is “terrorism”. Most people would say terrorism must involve mass harm to people, not necessarily property. Lots of other organisations over the years should have been proscribed if “terrorism” means property damage. Anyone involved in the race riots, Just Stop Oil, hell, even Banksy, would all qualify if that was the case. It opens the door for the UK government to proscribe any organisation it doesn’t like, which is especially concerning at a time when the next government is likely to be even more authoritarian and use this event as precedent to do the same but more.
qevlarrOf course I support peaceful protest, but not when it inconveniences the public somewhat, or if they trespass anywhere, or if they damage government property. And you can’t march in the streets, either
The cognitive dissonance is astounding. How’s that boot taste?
Millions of pounds? Oh those poor pounds, they must be terrified! Wait, what? Money doesn’t have feelings and nor do fighter jets? Therefore no terror was caused, and the proscribing of this group as terrorists is therefore absurd? No, no. Three defense corporations have a right to defend herself.
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I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a reasonable protest and those responsible should be prosecuted for the criminal damage etc… but to list them as a terrorist group because of one non-terrorising action is a tad ridiculous, counter-intuitive, and the optics for the government are terrible.
don’t disagree that it wasn’t a reasonable
You broke my brain with that one
Fair enough, I wouldn’t disagree that it wasn’t the worstn’t way to word it.
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Hahaha I got what you were saying but I had to read the first part like 5 times. All good though 👍
triplenadirWhat is a “reasonable” protest against murdering tens of thousands of people?
I support Palestine Action 🇵🇸
You can’t say that this is a Christian server, where we support mass murder, like the good people that we are.
It’s fine, it only became shocking horrible hate speech at exactly midnight on the 5th July.
Since this commenter posted that sentiment on Friday, July 4th, 2025 at 10:05:07 PM GMT+01:00 He/She remains an upstanding, law abiding citizen
Now say it again now
SpaceCowboySeems a bit much to label them as terrorist but they’ve done a lot of vandalism on various companies. Seems their MO is to find a target rationalize how it’s somehow tangentially associated with Israel and then break some shit.
They crossed a line when they did this to a military base and vandalized some RAF planes. They had some weirdo rationalization for this, but forgot to rationalize how this kind of thing will help anyone in Gaza. They seem to be just breaking things to get attention for themselves.
You don’t see the connection with the air force? The military? Are you dense? Tell me you at least understand why they did Elbit and Thales…
The RAF isn’t part of the IDF last I checked.
Doing these kinds of stunts based on weird tangential connections does not gain any support for a cause. In fact it just turns people against it. This kind of thing is done purely to improve these people’s standing within the cause, but doesn’t further the cause itself. It’s just narcissistic attention seeking behaviour.
Nonsense. This kind of thing won women the vote and got us a weekend.
Those movements succeeded because they were lead by people that has clear goals and were able to make plans. They weren’t random people just doing random acts of vandalism to get monetization from tech bro billionaires.
Palestine Action has clear goals though.
Yeah their goal is to get attention for themselves (and probably social media monetization and donations from suckers) by acting like vandalism will have any real effect on anything.
Like what else could their actions ever possibly accomplish?
Well instead of guessing incorrectly, you could do a very small amount of research and find out!
As mentioned, direct action historically has produced results via political pressure.
Why are you still allowed to talk? You’re a genocide apologist
So you think that some speech should be banned?
FedegenerateIronic statement given the post. Speech has been banned, all that’s left to do is quibble what speech.
Maybe neither should be banned? Also I’m not “supporting genocide”, I just look at the casualty numbers and they’re consistent with a war, not a genocide. The word “genocide” has been weaponized and that’s rationalizing the use of violence which doesn’t help anyone.
These “Palestine Action” idiots are not helping Palestinians in any way. They’re narcissists doing vandalism to increase their standing within a internet small bubble. That’s all they’re doing.
You’re reading words I’ve written, that’s speech but apparently some people around here think that should be banned. Do you think words should be banned and vandalism by narcissists should be legal?
It was just interesting, that in a post about people’s speech being banned with legal consequences your first comment wasn’t to protest that. But in a comment threating speech with social consequences you were right in on protesting that.
Once again, violence is already happening. All we can do now is quibble about who that violence is directed at.
Would you prefer violence against Palestian civilians, or some property?
Summary speech is already being banned. Violence is already happening.
I want the war to end. The only way the war ends is if Hamas releasing the hostages. If your protests were denouncing Hamas and calling upon them to release the hostages, then I might believe you care about Palestinians.
But you don’t really care about them. You’re just using Palestinian civilians the same way Hamas does: sacrificing them to justify the existence of a violent group.
There is a significant movement of Gazans protesting against Hamas rule. You admire these Palestine Action idiots, I admire Palestinians protesting against the oppressive Hamas government… in the middle of a war. Palestinians in Gaza struggle with forming and kind of opposition to Hamas because Hamas will torture people to death for speaking out against them.
I look at the photo in article and I see a bunch of white kids cosplaying as Palestinians at a protest in a western country. Cultural appropriation of the suffering of people in a place they’ve never been to. Suffering they have no understanding of. You’ve probably never even heard of Palestinians being tortured by Hamas for speaking out or the Hamas attack on food distribution that happened just yesterday because you’re in an internet bubble that bans anything that doesn’t conform to a narrative.
I respect actual Palestinians living in Gaza that protest against authoritarians. You respect some white kids living in an internet bubble that cosplay as Palestinians and vandalize shit. But go on believing you have some internet fabricated moral high ground just because you can spell the word “genocide”.
Perhaps you responded to the wrong person. Here’s what my comment stated and asked:
Speech is being banned. Would you prefer speech supporting/genocide be banned? Or, speech protesting genocide be banned.
Violence is already happening. Would you prefer violence be used to support genocide. Or, violence be used against planes in protest of genocide?
Personally, I would prefer vandalism over genocide. Not a particularly tricky moral dilemma for me, weird question to have asked.
Noteably nothing about Hamas. You saw that right? Tilt at some other windmills.
You’re just creating false dichotomies left and right and straw-manning all over the place.
Nobody is supporting genocide, that’s just you straw-manning the opposition because you don’t want to discuss the complexities of the issue.
Violence is happening in a conflict you don’t understand. You don’t want to even talk about Hamas because it spoils your narrative. You can’t to explain how creating violence in the west will result in the release of the hostages Hamas is holding. So you just avoid the subject. In fact your actions might encourage Hamas to hold out longer and that will prolong the suffering of Palestinians. Which is why I say you don’t actually care about Palestinians.
You don’t want to understand the conflict you claim to care about because you only care about a bullshit internet narrative. Hamas is still holding hostages and the war will continue regardless of what you do. So as much as you try to frame it as genocide vs. vandalism, we all know that’s complete bullshit. The vandalism will not impact what happens in this war (regardless of how you want to term it) so it’s just people doing vandalism and ruining their lives to impress people on social media.
Once again. Speech is being banned. Only one of which was protested against in the comment I replied to: not the 14 years in prison, the banning from a niche part of a niche website. Not a false dichotomy. Nor is the violence choice a false dichotomy, it’s pointing out the ridiculousness of complaining about vandalism under the shadow of genocide.
You want to talk about straw Manning, ctrl+f my comment for Hamas please. If it comes back with zero result you should apologise.
You don’t want to understand the conflict you claim to care about because you only care about a bullshit internet narrative.
The arrogance of you. Genuinely, be ashamed of yourself and apologise.
Israel will continue the genocide no matter what I do, that’s correct. But we, as a nation, don’t need to support them… Hence the protests.
You’re talking about a war and you refuse to discuss one of the belligerents in that war. You refuse to even try to understand the conflict because actually looking into what Hamas has done and is currently doing means you have to think about reality and you prefer the sanitized propaganda over reality.
Methinks this is why you want my speech to be banned. You want the world to be a simplified good guys vs. bad guys narrative so you can vandalize something and feel like you’re on the good guy side.
amnesty.ca/…/palestine-hamas-targeting-protesters… reuters.com/…/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-says-t…
I understand it may be upsetting that your friends are cosplaying as the people that do these kinds of things, but that’s the reality of it. Your protests aren’t going to influence Hamas to release the hostages. Nothing you say and do will change the actions of Hamas, especially if you continue to look the other way about their actions. Israel is not going to leave their people prisoners of Hamas. So nothing you say or do will change anything about this scenario. Link whatever you want to the word genocide, your actions are irrelevant because the monstrous actions of Hamas (which you pretend to ignore) made you irrelevant. You want people to listen to you, but why should anyone listen to you when you’re so disconnected from reality?
A non-violent resistance movement would successfully lead to a Palestinian state. Hamas fucks that up, these Palestine Action idiot also fuck that up too, but obviously on a much much smaller scale. You’re hurting Palestinians because you treat them as pawns in your thirst for violence and destruction.
You have consistantly spread genocide denialism since you created your account.
So you agree with censorship. You just disagree on which people should be censored.
Also they threw paint at planes, idiot. If a bit of red paint can damage fighter jets maybe build them better. Fucking liar.
Some kind of people. Genocide denialists for example. Banned from humanity.
Banned from humanity.
What do you mean by this? Is that a death threat?
Civil death. Nobody should sell food to genociders. Go hunt or fish or something
They crossed a line when they did this to a military base…
They didn’t cross the line into terrorism, though. Yes, they are criminals, no, they are not terrorists. It’s an incredibly important distinction. By definition, they are not terrorists:
criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages…
-definition of terrorism, UN resolution 1566
The UK parliament is sovereign, not the UN. So how the UN defines things isn’t relevant.
Also the law is meant to prevent terrorism. While I don’t agree with the designation in this case, I can understand the concern around how this group is escalating their attacks. There’s this “globalize the intifada” stochastic terrorism going around and the Iranian regime (the ultimate source of most of this shit) just got it’s ass handed to them and may be looking to do something to show their people they’re still “strong”.
Since the UK signed the UN charter in 1945, it might behoove us to conform to their definitions unless, of course the UK parliament has agreed on a different definition for terrorism?
HumanPenguinThis is absurd.
Yes Palestine Action broke the law by damaging insanely expensive property. And like any protest that dose this. The right or wrong of the cause has no effect on the legal requirements of the actions.
CND, Greenpeace and many many other protest organisations have also commited expensive crimes over the decades.
When a government starts deciding what citizens can or cannot support rather the how. It is no different to banning book or speech.
katy ✨i think we should arrest everyone who takes direction protest action against military targets, kier starmer.
No! I said act shone not action.
I support palestine act shone!
Sorry but of course they got banned. If they’re didn’t then the government would be sending the message that military sites are fair game and suddenly undermining the UK’s military preparedness would be a legitimate form of protest. If this had happened in the US they’d probably be facing the death penalty for treason.
They already sent that message. The moment anyone gets on one of those sites an alert should have gone off, and within minutes, they should have been apprehended. This is our air defense! Russian’s regularly fly past our air space even before Ukraine war and we have to scramble jets immediately. If they take these out, we’re sitting ducks.
John Healey, the defense secretary called for an immediate review of all sites because he knew it was shit and unacceptable.
Do you think if the Russians broke in, it would be red paint? This is a sideshow distraction.
Does it count if you say something positive about Bobbie Vylan or Kneecap?
Just curious…
When Keir took over Labour and expelled thousands of decent left members for vague reasons it was clear of the authoritarian nature of him. At the time, I asked what do you think he’ll do if in charge of the state apparatus.
This is just the start.
Sunshine (she/her)The UK’s government is barbaric.
NKBTNIt’s lost. Keeps passing ridiculous laws that only effect 0.1% of people just to look like it’s doing something. On many occasions people charged for breaking these laws get to court, and the laws are then overturned by judges because they contradict another law.
I expect this is what will happen here, eventually, but it might take 7 years to happen
Oi, you got a loicense for that pro-Palestinian sentiment?
So, uh…does the UK government understand what happens when the punishment for speech is the same as the punishment for violence?
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