SamsyI use Arch btw
maxwells_daemonAnd now you’re lost
basiclemmon98If this was accurate, the ropes would have snapped and homer would go hurddling to the base of the mountain.
NatanoxThat’s what pacman -Syyu is for. The occasional life support failure and forced bug hunting is part of the experience.
Well, ‘pacman -Syyu’ is only effective if pacman exists on the monstrocity that archinstall ‘builds’.
“Lazy sherpas.”
Installing arch without archinstall is way too much fucking work. I’d much rather spend time fixing the 10% greater likelihood of encountering issues post install than doing all that fucking bullshit manually. The command line is better for a lot of things but configuring partitions and mount points is not one of them. I demand a fuckin gui for that stuff.
I’ve done it both by the book and arch install. Arch install is just nice.
This is why arches based distos are taking off. They help with picking packages etc to save time.
The rationale in the OP is that with archinstall, an inexperienced user will have no idea where to even begin diagnosing any issues post install. Whereas installing manually is sort of a barrier to entry that ensures you know what you’re doing.
That’s a stupid reason to make an installation as painful as possible. I can follow the installation wiki but I just don’t have time for this. And an inexperienced user can follow the wiki or another how-to and finish the installation but still be lost if something breaks later on.
It’s not being made “as painful as possible”, it’s just manual. Arch isn’t a distro that’ll preconfigure things for you so everything’s plug’n’play, it’s a distro that’ll give you access to everything and the power to use it however you like, but with that comes the expectation and responsibility to manage those things.
Installing arch manually is simply a good lesson in how your system is set up, what parts it’s made up of, in part because you’re free to remove and switch out those parts.
And sure, there’s no magic bullet to make sure a new user understands everything they did, but I think in the end, if you’re not willing to read, learn and troubleshoot, you might just want a different distro.
It’s been a while since I installed arch manually, but wouldn’t that only help you understand a bit on disk partitioning and some basic commands like copying files/chrooting? You generally learn that stuff the first time your install breaks on any distro
That’s why I went with EndeavourOS - nice installer, some changes and tweaks to the default settings, but after that it uses the arch repositories and there’s no difference to arch anymore afaik.
SanctusArchinstall made my root partition 25 GiBs the first time I ever messed around on arch. That was fun when it filled up.
Learning to properly configure pre existing drives with archinstall was an adventure on its own.
Its honestly just better to set it up yourself if you want to learn lol but archinstall is cool as an option.
UndergroundGoblinyep, me too. At least I had 50GB but man, I was frustrated when I found out…
boredsquirrel (he)Why have set partitions. Just use LVM or BTRFS volumes…
wingsfortheirsmilesWent with EndeavourOS instead so at least I have more than an ice cubes chance in hell of not borking my install
funkajunk 🇨🇦I did it the manual way probably about 10 times on my Linux learning journey, it was a really good way to learn how Linux itself worked. Now I just use archinstall every time.
I’ve done it, I’ve gotten the satisfaction from it, but it’s not gonna add any more inches to my e-peen.
thats fine and thats the exact usecase for arch install. This meme is for people who never install it once manually and use archinstall to get a working configured system.
ZozanoInstalling Arch ‘the proper way’ is a pilgrimage all Linux users should take. After that, they can fly with EndeavourOS at their convenience.
ComradeSharkfuckerI installed arch without it and it was a fucking struggle. Didn’t know it existed til after. Like actually hours after
Falls off a cliff and has no snapper enabled so the system is broken
Cause following the arch wiki is sooooooo much of an efort
I found the effort was in researching and choosing which components to use, rather than actually installing once chosen. It’s easy if you know exactly what you’re gonna install, but on that first build it definitely takes effort if you want to read into all the options and make educated choices
Actually, yes. In many, many aspects Arch wiki requires a lot of prerequisite knowledge. Otherwise, you’ll be better off following online guides.
Honestly, I had wayyyy more issues when using archinstall than just installing it normally by the wiki. I might just be stupid though :P
I gave up and used endeavouros instead.
Installed manually first then later using archinstall. I came across an issue that wouldn’t format a partition. Saw the issue on github too. So had to format manually and continue.
“We need more people to use linux, look at what MS is doing to people.”
People who have never used linux trying to use and learn linux by using an installer build by awesome members of the Arch team.
“C’mon do you even linux?”
People here are always talking about different distros, trying this one and then that one until they found what they like. Are you guys really just reinstalling your OS that often? Reinstalling all the programs you want and everything?
Yes. About once every 2-3 months. It’s something of a hobby.
IthralI did for a few years, finally think I’m settled on arch for desktop, but for servers, hurry is still out
When I started out, I used to change distros like socks lol
While you do have to reinstall programs, having a separate /home partition means that you can keep your stuff between changes
lime!it’s called “distrohopping”, and yes. nowadays it’s easier to do it in a vm, but less fun
Why not? It takes a few hours at most, and I get a new interesting experience.
It is amazing if you’ve settled on your distribution of choice, though.
hansoloI’m not. Mint is all I need, Mint is all I want.
These comments really make me wonder if people would just get therapy instead of installing Arch if therapy was cheaper.
I’ve gone fedora gnome, fedora kde, mint and now am on endeavour gnome.
It’s not windows, installing a new distro is painless and I keep my settings in a separate drive.
I use arch btw, have been for 5 or so years, I open the gates to those who want to use arch install
You are not any lesser for not wanting to install arch manually
Green WizardI followed the wiki and pulled off a successful install… On a vm. Once I felt confident and ready I remembered arch install was a thing and thought “sure I’ll try it, it’ll definetly break and I’ll just use the wiki to install” then it worked without a hitch. I’m still running arch with no issues.
JackbyDevThe one time I tried to manually install arch on a VM years and years ago it didn’t work and I wrote Arch off. Guess what I’m running now? Well, Cachy, but lol. It’s Arch. And guess what? It’s got a simplified install process.
Very easy nowadays, even manually with all the guides, so you can cross that one off quite easily.
Arch Wiki is great, but it’s mostly oriented on people who already know something. And installation page should be very clearly written for absolute noobs.
ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρєI’ve installed Arch manually exactly once. (Just for the bragging rights, lol)
My go to way is just installing EndeavourOS. It’s basically Arch, but with a nicer installer and reasonable defaults.
I use Endeavour, btw. Nah, I don’t think it’ll catch one.
I’m super stoked to be on an Arch-based system, but things have been so easy I have earned no bragging rights what-so-ever with it.
Btw, I’m on an arch endeavour
Go ahead, install Arch on a VM (it’s not hard at all, actually!) and get your medal.
Then keep with Endeavour and enjoy your ride :D
I got to where it expected me to partition the drive manually and noped out. I was doing that in the 90’s when I compiled my own kernel. Ain’t nobody got time for that today.
I did it once, wrote down all the commands I used in order and then made my own install script. It was a great learning experience
festnti did that once… watched a video of some guy installing it, wrote down every single command, did it myself, it worked! then the clock system broke and i tried to fix it, couldn’t do it because dumb, and reinstalled it. exact same commands as before, but it didn’t work, no clue why
then i did the same with some other youtube video, until i just decided to use an arch based distro with an installer
now i just see people talking about archinstall and i’m like… i could’ve done it with one command? why did nobody tell me??? or did i just ignore everyone who told me? am i stupid???
ObliviousEnlightenmentTbf you couldn’t always. Archinstall didn’t come until a few years ago
hmmm how many years ago? i started using linux (with fedora, then arch a couple of months later) around the end of 2022 or mid 2023
First stable release of Archinstall was 5 years ago according to the releases on GitHub so it already existed
yeah so i just always ignored it’s existence
FizzOnce is all you need to be fair. After that you’re the exact person who should be using archinstall.
sanderiumI’ll confess my first Arch installation was with the script, but in the end I reinstalled manually just to test myself and to have hibernation enabled. Still a noob but I can only go up from here.
Wht does it even matter if you don’t install Arch manually? Is the whole point of the arch installing? I don’t think so, it’s using. If you don’t find anything joyful in manually installing arch it’s perfectly fine to manually install only once to make sure you know how it works. And just use
archinstall in every following installation that’s not shamefu
Archinstall is a part of arch so they say they use arch btw that’s sensible to be
No! Heathen! Download the source for every package and compile it yourself! Compile the kernel yourself, compile the compiler yourself! Never script anything, always do every step manually, every time! Using tools that make things convenient and foolproof makes you weak and unappreciative of the real hardship and struggle it requires to checks notes use a personal computer!