ICEBlock climbs to the top of the App Store charts after officials slam it

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ICEBlock climbs to the top of the App Store charts after officials slam it - Divisions by zero

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Expected this after recent news articles criticizing it for hurting ICE officers.
Good. I hope they’re terrified. The same as their victims
The cops ain’t terrified of soy people. I can assure you that. Quit protecting illegals. My wife came through the proper channel and is now a proud Latina American. Go outside and enjoy your life instead of waiting it on law breakers.
Your wife is going to be grabbed out of your home and thrown into an unmarked SUV and you will never see her again. And you’ll let it happen because you would rather be a slave to a regime than confront the fact that you’re wrong.
Obvious troll is obvious

My dog does a better job and keeping criminals out than you leftist nutters. If controlling people’s opinions are part of your philosophy of a better society , then I’d rather live in the USA for the rest of my life.

Funny that the people who hide their face call us the cowards. Heh…

I agree. ICE are complete cowards for hiding thier faces.
I don’t think everybody who makes a bad claim is a troll. A lot of people just are that stupid.
Have you not seen all the people whose legal latina wives have been abducted off the street, shoved into packed prisons and then shipped off to some random country?
A coward says what?
Suck my crusty asshole
Aren’t you adorable.
You fags are the weakest form of human on this earth. Y’all remove comments that you don’t like because all of you are sore losers. Now go ahead and delete this as if I won’t be back to insult you babies.
Cry me a river, bootlicker
Oh would you shut up? Seriously. It’s obvious your projecting and insecure about yourself, don’t put that on us. Go play with your sock puppet or something.
We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.

Federated application for a map with markers and notes?

It seems for me that this would be too narrow a purpose.

Maybe a general-purpose public notification map. With some functionality allowing to separate markers by their authors and by tags. Or it can be spammed with bogus markers. By tags - well, for it to be general-purpose. By authors - because moderation can’t be left to instance admins.

And, of course, I’m personally for separation of moderation, instance ownership, identities and hosting, but my own toy attempt showed me that the logic of checking the chain of privilege delegation is kinda PITA. That is, separating identities from instances is not that hard. And communities. What’s hard is the community owner delegating rights to other identities, and in general authorized actions. It’s a task of determining which privileges does an identity currently possess, and how does it affect its own actions on the community, and in which order should those be processed … Everything is harder than it seems. Sad.

So federation is fine LOL.

Why too narrow of a use case?

Imagine federation with text linked to other text, that’d be crazy, right?

Wait, it’s actually more complicated than that 🤔

But FR using existing federated protocols to build something like this is EXACTLY what the protocols are for. You don’t need to implement the federation yourself, you can use an existing network

At the very least I hope it’s hosted by someone outside the US so it’s out of reach to the authorities.
For all we know the app might just be a honeypot itself

This is a genuine concern that we should recognize.

I’m about 99% confident it isn’t, but considering it is the kind of caution we should all be exercising these days.

How would we learn either way if it was or wasn't?
When the feds come for you for using it
Someone knowledgeable enough would be able to figure out where every upload is going, I’d wager. But that would take Someone that is knowledgeable enough, as well as willing to expose an app like that given the potential consequences.
  • Is it open source? (No)
  • Is it’s publishing and build pipeline open? (No)
  • Can anyone audit it? (No)
  • Does the author make unreliable claims of privacy? (Yes)
  • Does the author detail how data privacy and security is implemented? (No)

It’sprobably not a honeypot. But it’s also likely to be negligent enough in implementation that it might as well be.

That’s always worth considering. A phone app doesn’t take a big operating budget to launch and maintain. Especially for state-actors.

Federation is an overly complicated solution it’s not required. It also wouldn’t actually help, they can still take it off the app store there’d be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.

The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There’s no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that’s a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that’s probably unnecessary

Honestly yeah, if we can just torrent the database and have it stored outside the U.S then it’s good
Facepalm. If the App does not store the data in a 5 mile radius … how do you at least see the latest status when the power and internet is down?

I can’t tell if you’re serious or not.

If the internet is down then I don’t have access to the app store. Also if the internet’s down then the data is going to be out of date almost immediately anyway so any cached version would be useless.

She said that there’s been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just “trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from… communities.”

Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.

“Just following orders…”
Unjust, following orders

I loathe and despise using percentages like this.

500% sounds super scary, but is meaningless without providing the baseline. If there was only one instance before and now there’s 5 it isn’t a significant increase but 500% sure sounds scary.

Worse still it’s not even clear what is being discussed. It implied “violence” but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.

% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.

ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent
We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they’ll contrive situations just so they can do that. I’d say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.
Sadly I haven’t heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.
someone on bsky did the match and found out that 700% increase is still only like 70 incidents (i forget who it was that posted it)
It’s so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something 🤔
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi

Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi

He’s a fucking JEWISH Nazi - which is the worst kind of self loathing Nazi.

He’d be the first in the showers when the real Nazis come to town.

He’s a pathetic loser.

Stephen Miller is exactly a Nazi
Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they’re just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them 😭 "
Well, when you kidnap people in the street assaults against you can happen.
Clearly it’s just safety minded individuals acquiring it. This app helps keep communities safe from unmarked armored vehicles filled with masked criminal cop impersonators.
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This is the way.

You’ve still got to connect to their servers and they can monitor who connects to what.

I wouldn’t trust it without a non-US based VPN. We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed, and that they are watching.

they can monitor who connects to what.

They can also not do that.

We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed

International VPNs are not immune from US subpoena.

international VPNs are not immune from US subpoena

And condoms are only 98% effective.

A condom and VPN work on the same principle: a layer of protection. No protection is ever 100% effective, but you can at least try.

Remember, they’re already building the camps. It’s only a matter of time before “helping illegals” is a crime that gets you sent to the camps. I’d rather make the fascists work for it at least.

And condoms are only 98% effective.

Your analogy doesn’t make sense. It would be more apt to say “condoms from Walmart can be compromised!” but it makes no sense because they can be compromised anywhere. If you think shopping somewhere else means they won’t be compromised, that’s not logical.

It’s not to say that you shouldn’t use them, it’s to say that you shouldn’t judge them based on the geographical location they’re acquired.

"He's giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are," Bondi said. "...we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out, because that's not a protected speech. That is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country."'

Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it's not constitutionally protected to say to someone "hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?" Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn't matter and laws are made up now, and they're just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They're just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.

It is definitely not constitutional protected free speech. Because constitution has nothing to say in this matter. On the other hand there is no law restricting such speech either. Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution, would be tricky however.

Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution…

The part that says…

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assem- ble, and to petition the Government for a re- dress of grievances.

Make a law against the part that says not to make a law against it?

I mean, it’s idiotic and on message for Trump.

Is there an android version?
There is not and it is due to privacy implications. You can read more on their site about it and ALSO, there are fake Android apps of this that they caution you to not install. As of now, there is no Android version and unlikely unless Android fixes the way notifications work to not have any account or privacy issues for such an app.
GrapheneOS (@grapheneos.org)

ICEBlock is incredibly false privacy claims for marketing. They falsely claim it provides complete anonymity when it doesn't. They're ignoring both data kept by Apple and data available to the server but not stored. They're also spreading misinformation about Android: www.iceblock.app/android

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