Ay ay ay. Ya gal's looking at getting a secondary underport installed, but choosing a surgeon/clinic is proving very stressful.

Someone suggested "go to Reddit for discussions", but when I get there, I find comments saying that my so-far second choice, Dr Ivan Mañero, is locally known as "the butcher" and sues any negative reviews into oblivion.

Would really love to hear accounts that confirm/deny this, particularly from Spanish trans folks.

Failing this, yer recommendations? Please note I am not considering US-based surgeons due to, well, the whole fascism thing.
#transgenera #srs #grs #vaginoplasty

First update: with by far the most professional, prompt, and comprehensive response to my initial enquiries, coming from left field to build an early lead is... Dr Chet!

That's right, the longtime pretender to the Suporn crown, looking to prove he should be nobody's number two choice, Dr Chet is aching to give Tattie a vadge! Can he stay the front-runner at this pace?

(I have no idea why I'm narrating this in horse race fashion.)

Holy shit he's already offering a surgery date.
Meanwhile Dr Labanca is asking for dick pics. 🍆
I just typed the sentence "I'm unlikely to get a slot at Suporn clinic" and, well, exactly. 🤭

I'd just like to give a special mention to the customer service I've experienced from Morath and Schöll.

...not a good mention. But a mention. 😜

It's stunning the vast difference in how I've been treated as a prospective patient by them compared to Dr Chet. They've been officious, secretive, and dismissive, where Dr Chet's clinic has been transparent, keen, and respectful.

Which is the better surgical team? I don't know! But I know who I trust to respect me as a person, and that goes a long way.

Meanwhile I keep getting recommended Dr Littleton, but, like, having a website with even a slight bit of information on it would help him look less skeevy. Just saying.

So, uh, you know those "vulva galleries" that are there to normalise the idea of vulva diversity and help people feel more positive about their own genitals?

Can I bring one to a consultation like a person bringing a fashion magazine into a hairdresser?

"Can you make me look like that?'

Dr Chet also wants dick pics now. "One picture must be on your back and showing the perineum", wow, really getting practice in for my future cam girl career here. /j

So, I've had consultations with both Dr Chet and Dr Labanca. Have to say the initial consultations were very brief in both cases, and a bit, I dunno, noncommittal? Very much a "hmm, let's discuss this in more detail when you get here" in both cases, with regards to my questions about aesthetics.

Maybe that's just how it is with surgery. They don't want to over-promise and under-deliver. 🤷‍♀️

Dr Labanca was concerned about depth, given "what I have to work with". If I were a guy I'd be feeling very defensive right now, lol. And even if I wanted to go the colon or perineal route, she wasn't keen to offer it due to... well, I guess I got called fat and small-dicked in one consultation. 🙃

That kind of makes her sound awful, but honestly she was lovely and came across as very trustworthy and honest. Just... she seems to take a very conservative, tried-and-tested, risk-averse approach to her work. If you're looking for a vaginoplasty and that approach gels with your own, I would completely recommend her!

So following that, I've put down a deposit to secure that surgery date with Dr Chet. Fingers crossed, I'm going to Thailand next year, and coming back enfoofed!!!

 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

(Most importantly: yes, ladies, it is a Tuesday.) 😁
@Tattie *excellent* and i'm so happy for you, honey! best of luck! :D
@Tattie Congratulations!

I would a million times over rather talk with someone / some entity that actually conveys information, no matter how much I dislike their choice of verbage or fixation on specific vernacular, than with someone who communicates little, but uses words I prefer. There's something to be said for those who don't beat around the bush, pun not intended but not avoided.

Every time I see your thread, I hear the Peaches song playing in my head :D

@Tattie That sounds very different from my experience. In the second consultation I asked specifically for the colon variant and she had no hesitation in doing it. I told her I wanted both depth and self-lubrication, and she was fine with it. (she was also concerned about depth with the penile inversion method 🤭)

I read in the thread below you have chosen Dr Chet then. Congrats! I hope you get everything you hope for and more! ♥️

@portugeek I mean yes, but you're slimmer than me. She'd taken a look at the photos I'd sent, and decided I had too much belly fat for her to want to operate abdominally 🤷‍♀️

But yes! Thank you! I'm excited!

@Tattie Ah shit yes you had mentioned that, I didn’t connect the dots. Sorry to hear that, that’s not ok. It hadn’t even crossed my mind that there could be different reactions to different body types… You did well to choose to go elsewhere then, it is crucial to feel you have a good relationship with your surgeon; I can imagine that made you more than a little uncomfortable with her…
@portugeek no, I'm happy with her honesty. She isn't confident operating abdominally on people with my body type, it would've been dishonest if she'd not disclosed that.
Her surgical approach isn't a good fit for my needs but I have no complaints about her treatment of me.
@Tattie so I know some surgeons have "a look" where your vagina can look however you want, so long as it's the one look they do
@mirahimage like Facialteam with noses
@Tattie the one surgeon I've talked to so far encouraged bringing in photos of there was something you specifically wanted. I don't know if that means you'd get it, but
@Tattie I've heard some places have a catalogue
@EveOfTheFuture hehe, a "cat"-alogue 😹
@Tattie That sounds pretty reasonable to me!
@Tattie I can tell you a UK one to avoid-is Dr Fenton if he's still going. Called me a man and said you douche with a turkey baster.
Needless to say I had it done elsewhere. I went to Brighton Nuffield. Not sure who does it there now since Phil Thomas died.

@KaraLG84 the only UK surgeon I considered was Dr Tina Rashid, and even then she didn't make my shortlist.

Was not very keen on the UK in general!

Really tempted to tell Morath & Schöll to shove their haughty attitude up their... Köln.

@Tattie
"Sorry M&S, but I'm trying to reduce the amount of pricks in my life."

(If you think this joke sucks I apologize and I'll bin it. Just trying to provide a laugh during a stressful process.)

@Tattie I've got nothing but positive things to say about my own experience with Chettawut and his clinic's work.
His website was full of information that made planning my visit a breeze, the clinic was responsive to all communication, the nurses were lovely, and I've been really happy with the results since I got my cunt (with the skin graft procedure) over two and a half years ago, with no complications and a pretty easy recovery. Sure, it's a bit on the asymmetric side, but it looks fine and functions as well as I ever dreamed. It's great.
Happy to answer any questions.
@Walk_blesseD fantastic to hear! Thank you! My most important question is: how's the sensation?
@Tattie it's great. It feels pretty much exactly how I would've expected it to feel.
@Walk_blesseD wonderful, I'm really starting to feel like this is the right choice for me 😊

@Tattie

The best advice I can give you is to start with asking yourself if you're wanting full depth or zero/minimal depth (it's the same thing, I've just heard both terms for it. It's got just enough depth where the canal would be for your vulva to lay properly, so like a fingertip's depth).

If you think you might ever want full depth, start with full depth.

After that, ask yourself how you prioritize these things: Aesthetics, sensation, and -- if applicable -- depth.

That will help winnow your surgeons down, and also help focus your research.

As an example: I realized right away that zero depth wasn't going to work for me.

So I was left with full depth, and I struggled to prioritize them and eventually decided that sensation edged out aesthetics, but I also wanted good depth -- but most of all, I wanted consistency of results and minimal complication rates.

So I started by looking at full depth and quickly decided against the classic PI approach, and so looked hard at two other types of full depth -- sigmoid colon and PPT. The first takes out a chunk of colon and uses it for the canal. PPT uses your peritoneal tissue (it's the stuff that makes up the lovely sack that holds all your organs in place) for the canal.

I leaned more towards PPT, because I really didn't want to deal with a colon resection. Once I narrowed it down to PPT or something like it, the number of surgeons I was wading through dropped dramatically.

So then I could review aesthetics, sensation, complication rates, etc -- which helped me pick a surgeon. (Bluebond, who does a hybrid PPT method I quite like, and whose work is solid and consistent. And she has the wait lists to prove it).

@EmilyGB2023 thanks, I think I'm similarly narrowing down on what I want. I don't want zero depth but at the same time depth is not a huge concern for me; four inches or so would not be the end of the world.

I want both good sensation and aesthetics, and even have a pretty good idea of what aesthetic results I'd like.

I'm looking at penile inversion or more complex surgeries including Suporn or "combined" techniques. I'm trying to avoid techniques using any part of the colon or intestines, and am not sold on PPT.

A lot of the surgeons that interest me seem to be in Thailand, but since making the original post I've also found some in Germany and Switzerland. I've not ruled out the Spanish clinics yet, either.

@Tattie hmmm, that's interesting. I've seen almost the exact same comments (also on Reddit) for the surgeon I'll be going through (from Canada). Leads me to believe they are probably troll comments making the exact same complaints on every surgeon...

@PurpleStephyr no, this seemed very focused at that one specific surgeon, it seemed to be mostly two Redditors with an axe to grind.

Which... I don't know the story here. It could be the type of folks who are like "it's completely botched!" when there's a tiny bit of asymmetry (every surgery Reddit/Discord has folks like this) or it could be serious.

@Tattie 🤷‍♀️ who knows. It's been a while since I read those comments, I just found it odd that your summary matched exactly what I've read for a completely different surgeon.
@Tattie I know someone who had him do it. She seems happy with the results as far as I know.