Ok, if you are a dude who is inclined to listen to dudes complaining about women, do you ever stop and ask yourself "would I date this man?"

You know... "if I put gender aside, is this someone I would want a relationship with? Is this even someone I would want to have a conversation with?"

If the answer to either of those is a clear no, then why would you expect them to have dating success and positive relationships with women?

@artemis

Exactly - do I want to date this man vs. be this man vs. be associates with this man are all different things and the latter two are where most these knuckleheaded are at.

The first one is just really hard to consider for a lot of them because they don't have empathy that extends beyond their own limited notions of self identity.

The thing that makes it all the more painful is that men can literally buy the appearance of what they're selling, and it presents this image that what they are selling is the silver bullet, or at least better ammo to engage with the world, and it's only gaining the end-ruber the affection of other end-rubers.

At the end of the day, men are engaged in games of impressing other men, and this is why some would absolutely say they would willingly date Gaston somehow imagining themselves as the Beauty, Gaston, and that guy who is deeply enthralled with Gaston.